Trading Tavon
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Wildflecken » 23 Jun 2017, 03:38

    One more thing FEW ever mention about the Tavon pick:

    SHotty convinced Fisher he could run a spread offense. They wanted Tavon and Bailey so much because of what they did at WV. Obv in hindsight a bad idea- and after 4 games Fisher nixed it. Tavon was the right pick for what they wanted to do- but few ever point that out. In a run first offense, he was a square peg in a round hole.

    He is a team favorite, he trains hard, gives his all and lets face it- we have had HORRIBLE Oline and QB play since he arrived- so again, so many others to hate on over him- why people hate him because of his draft position- I will never know - all he can do is give his best- and he has. Nobody can deny that.

    I'm betting McVay will enjoy having him- we will see.
    One of the best posts and observations I have read on the forum lately. Exactly why the Fisher regime failed. Instead of building Fisher an offense like TN now has with Lewan and Conklin along oline and power, downhill rb's they kept drafting pieces that would not work. Number one reason I hated the pick.

    TA has proven when aligned as a wr he is average at best. Has the routes they gave him always fit his strengths hardly. After Cook failed on the intermediate crossing route over middle with balls constantly bouncing off his hands and turning into interceptions they got rid of Cook and had TA run them last season with same result. Maybe, just maybe the play itself should of been removed from playbook? Don't have time to give a more detailed breakdown of play I referring too but if you are a die hard Rams fan you know the passing pattern I am referring to.

    If TA's routes are limited to what he does best, he could put up some decent to good numbers this season, maybe great. But he is NOT a starting wideout in a two/three wr set or two wr/ dual TE set that can run the full route tree.
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by majik » 23 Jun 2017, 12:52

    One more thing FEW ever mention about the Tavon pick:

    SHotty convinced Fisher he could run a spread offense. They wanted Tavon and Bailey so much because of what they did at WV. Obv in hindsight a bad idea- and after 4 games Fisher nixed it. Tavon was the right pick for what they wanted to do- but few ever point that out. In a run first offense, he was a square peg in a round hole.

    He is a team favorite, he trains hard, gives his all and lets face it- we have had HORRIBLE Oline and QB play since he arrived- so again, so many others to hate on over him- why people hate him because of his draft position- I will never know - all he can do is give his best- and he has. Nobody can deny that.

    I'm betting McVay will enjoy having him- we will see.
    But but but it's all Snead's fault according to some posters. Snead controlled all drafts. Fisher had no power to pick players. Don't you know that?
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by crazy-legs » 23 Jun 2017, 13:03

    I don't see Tavon being traded but I could see him having a breakout year. He's never been used right IMO. I have no doubt if Tavon runs the proper routes McVay will feed him as much as possible and let his speed do the rest...
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Rhino Ram » 23 Jun 2017, 14:45

    Who would want him? Really. I like the guy, but his production is doodoo.
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by TBUX » 23 Jun 2017, 18:54

    Tavon would draw serious interest IMO- NO, Gb, Ind, and surely many more. IN right scheme, he could be a monster.
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Dick84 » 23 Jun 2017, 21:53

    For this year's price, I don't see anyone trading for him.
    If he has a decent season? Yeah.. then, maybe he'll be someone you can trade.
    Probably need to be shedding him and Barron next year is the reality.
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Wildflecken » 24 Jun 2017, 04:53

    Wanted to add for 5 games in 2014 the Rams were successful running this play and the different variations of that formation with Quick and Britt as the starting wide outs. When Quick got injured that play should of never been run again. Either that or find a wr opposite Britt who was a scheme fit talent to run it. It was quite successful for a brief stint in time

    Why do folks still debate who was responsible for the draft strategy? Why does it matter at this point in time? Just curious here as to why it matters? What matters from this point forward is the organization does not make these mistakes again. Draft scheme fit talent for your HC's philosophy and it appears they are now on board in the draft doing this. However it is fair to point out the DC they chose and the scheme he runs is not style of defense that fits your best talent on that side of the ball. It requires a change of position for that talent. So I ask, have they learned from the past blunders, just curious to the forums take on this?
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Dick84 » 25 Jun 2017, 09:07

    Wanted to add for 5 games in 2014 the Rams were successful running this play and the different variations of that formation with Quick and Britt as the starting wide outs. When Quick got injured that play should of never been run again. Either that or find a wr opposite Britt who was a scheme fit talent to run it. It was quite successful for a brief stint in time

    Why do folks still debate who was responsible for the draft strategy? Why does it matter at this point in time? Just curious here as to why it matters? What matters from this point forward is the organization does not make these mistakes again. Draft scheme fit talent for your HC's philosophy and it appears they are now on board in the draft doing this. However it is fair to point out the DC they chose and the scheme he runs is not style of defense that fits your best talent on that side of the ball. It requires a change of position for that talent. So I ask, have they learned from the past blunders, just curious to the forums take on this?
    Agree on the offensive drafting and acquisition matching scheme now.
    Disagree on the part about defense, based on Wade's record in switching from 4-3 to 3-4. I think they have some odd fits there.. but don't see big issues.
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by sanbagger » 25 Jun 2017, 09:09

    Why do folks still debate who was responsible for the draft strategy? Why does it matter at this point in time?
    Because they want someone to blame...it's easy to sit back and say "get rid of that guy and all is fixed"

    When in reality the problem was the philosophy of the organization...they looked at and for players they felt would help the organization...they had some hits and some misses but I don't blame nor praise any one guy because they drafted as a team.

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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Bumpy95 » 25 Jun 2017, 10:20

    Since the rest of the receivers have been relatively useless, the thought of getting rid of a guy who actually made some plays the last few miserable years is somewhat silly. Gooff needs someone with a little experience to throw to! Fisheys offence stunk worse than a poorly used Austin. Give it this year to see what happens.
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Bumpy95 » 25 Jun 2017, 10:23

    Since the rest of the receivers have been relatively useless, the thought of getting rid of a guy who actually made some plays the last few miserable years is somewhat silly. Goff needs someone with a little experience to throw to! Fisheys offence stunk worse than a poorly used Austin. Give it this year to see what happens.
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by UtahRam » 25 Jun 2017, 11:14

    Tavon Austin is the least of our problems...LOL
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Dick84 » 25 Jun 2017, 11:21

    Since the rest of the receivers have been relatively useless, the thought of getting rid of a guy who actually made some plays the last few miserable years is somewhat silly. Goff needs someone with a little experience to throw to! Fisheys offence stunk worse than a poorly used Austin. Give it this year to see what happens.
    I'm hopeful McVay's offense will put him in a position to make plays.. . but I'm skeptical in Tavon becoming a DJax type player. I don't see it.
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Commish » 25 Jun 2017, 13:32

    Since the rest of the receivers have been relatively useless, the thought of getting rid of a guy who actually made some plays the last few miserable years is somewhat silly. Goff needs someone with a little experience to throw to! Fisheys offence stunk worse than a poorly used Austin. Give it this year to see what happens.
    I'm hopeful McVay's offense will put him in a position to make plays.. . but I'm skeptical in Tavon becoming a DJax type player. I don't see it.
    Agreed--IMHO the guy was 'overdrafted' and is currently being overpaid, yet that hardly means he couldn't be highly useful if his strengths (speed and elusiveness) were to be effectively utilized.

    However, I don't consider him to be a full-time starter at WR, rather a versatile 'gadget' player and punt-return specialist... :) 8-) :idea:

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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Wildflecken » 25 Jun 2017, 14:30

    Wanted to add for 5 games in 2014 the Rams were successful running this play and the different variations of that formation with Quick and Britt as the starting wide outs. When Quick got injured that play should of never been run again. Either that or find a wr opposite Britt who was a scheme fit talent to run it. It was quite successful for a brief stint in time

    Why do folks still debate who was responsible for the draft strategy? Why does it matter at this point in time? Just curious here as to why it matters? What matters from this point forward is the organization does not make these mistakes again. Draft scheme fit talent for your HC's philosophy and it appears they are now on board in the draft doing this. However it is fair to point out the DC they chose and the scheme he runs is not style of defense that fits your best talent on that side of the ball. It requires a change of position for that talent. So I ask, have they learned from the past blunders, just curious to the forums take on this?
    Agree on the offensive drafting and acquisition matching scheme now.
    Disagree on the part about defense, based on Wade's record in switching from 4-3 to 3-4. I think they have some odd fits there.. but don't see big issues.
    Dick, I am well aware of Phillips track record and fact nearly every defense he took over improved first season under Wade, in fact I have it included in another post. I am also an admirer of his one gap system. I liked GW/Fishers defense as well but Philips's system does have the superior track record at least in the modern era but the system GW runs has put out some outstanding defenses as well.
    However the point was not a knock on Philips as DC, the point was his system required a position change for the talent other players say is a top 15 talent in the league, Aaron Donald. While Donald may remain largely a 3 tech, he will now be doing this from the DE versus DT position. Normally teams build an offense or defense suited to their best players/talent etc. You don't find this move a tad odd?
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Dick84 » 25 Jun 2017, 15:50

    Wanted to add for 5 games in 2014 the Rams were successful running this play and the different variations of that formation with Quick and Britt as the starting wide outs. When Quick got injured that play should of never been run again. Either that or find a wr opposite Britt who was a scheme fit talent to run it. It was quite successful for a brief stint in time

    Why do folks still debate who was responsible for the draft strategy? Why does it matter at this point in time? Just curious here as to why it matters? What matters from this point forward is the organization does not make these mistakes again. Draft scheme fit talent for your HC's philosophy and it appears they are now on board in the draft doing this. However it is fair to point out the DC they chose and the scheme he runs is not style of defense that fits your best talent on that side of the ball. It requires a change of position for that talent. So I ask, have they learned from the past blunders, just curious to the forums take on this?
    Agree on the offensive drafting and acquisition matching scheme now.
    Disagree on the part about defense, based on Wade's record in switching from 4-3 to 3-4. I think they have some odd fits there.. but don't see big issues.
    Dick, I am well aware of Phillips track record and fact nearly every defense he took over improved first season under Wade, in fact I have it included in another post. I am also an admirer of his one gap system. I liked GW/Fishers defense as well but Philips's system does have the superior track record at least in the modern era but the system GW runs has put out some outstanding defenses as well.
    However the point was not a knock on Philips as DC, the point was his system required a position change for the talent other players say is a top 15 talent in the league, Aaron Donald. While Donald may remain largely a 3 tech, he will now be doing this from the DE versus DT position. Normally teams build an offense or defense suited to their best players/talent etc. You don't find this move a tad odd?
    A tad.
    But it's not something I'm overly concerned about at the moment. Maybe you're right and there will be issues with it. Or maybe Phillips will find a way to make it work.
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Idaho_Ram » 05 Jul 2017, 23:02

    I must be in the minority, but I still feel like we have no basis of judging TA's viability as a legit receiver. The Fisher/Shotty/Boras offense is a complete joke. In some respects TA is a generational talent, with quicks and the ability to take it to the house that few players have ever known. Can we please have a season and in scheme that was concocted in the 21st century before we cast him to the curb? I have not given up on the guy. Maybe I'm alone on that.
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Claremontram » 06 Jul 2017, 06:16

    Tavon will have a banner season under McVay. Boras was hopeless and belongs coaching TEs at a community college.

    I also expect to see Gurley unleashed. Pass to run!
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Rammer » 06 Jul 2017, 07:55

    Yeah, I remember at the time, I was excited to have Tavon and Bailey. What the frick happened? I'm thinking Stedman just wasn't hungry enough for success until it was too late for him. On the otherhand, I think Tavon has actually been okay given his limited role and considering the team around him. I don't understand all the hate he gets. It's not like he's been GRob here. His biggest fault is that the Rams drafted him too high and then doubled down and overpaid him. Imo, though, he is still a net plus to have on the team.
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by 69RamFan » 06 Jul 2017, 17:53

    I must be in the minority, but I still feel like we have no basis of judging TA's viability as a legit receiver. The Fisher/Shotty/Boras offense is a complete joke. In some respects TA is a generational talent, with quicks and the ability to take it to the house that few players have ever known. Can we please have a season and in scheme that was concocted in the 21st century before we cast him to the curb? I have not given up on the guy. Maybe I'm alone on that.
    You're not alone,

    I believe TA will have a breakout year with this coaching staff and the scheme that will be installed.

    Gurley was right, saying that this offense looked like a high school offense.

    It wasn't the ability of the players as much, it was more of the coaching and the scheme being installed. IMO
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    Re: Trading Tavon

    by Raminec » 06 Jul 2017, 19:00

    Tavon wont be traded. He will either produce this season or be cut just like Quinn. Tavon, Quinn and Trujo have too big of cap numbers( assuming Johnson plays at the Franchise tag number). If they cannot produce in the 2017 they will all be gone which will result in 31 million dollars in cap space to rebuild this team for the 2018 season. Its make or break time .

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