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I’ve always liked Goff, but watching all of these other qb’s today, he is just not up to par. I am watching other qb’s scramble, roll out, step up in the pocket, twist and turn, make space then hit their receiver. Goff drops back a step or two, then can’t move beyond that. I’m sorry, there is no comparison and he is to skinny.
He is running the offense given to him by McVay.......

I don’t care what what level you are talking about. Pro, college, High School or youth. Your job as a HC is to put your players in a position to where they can succeed. To recognize your players strengths as well as weeknesses. McVay has not done a good job at all this year in doing such. Do not roll Goff out behind and offensive line that cannot protect him in the pocket is poor coaching. Goff did not roll out today by choice.



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Prescott and cousins making throw after throw tonight. These guys are ridiculed by their fan bases. Meanwhile our fan base makes excuses for a QB with a QBR in the bottom 4


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Prescott and cousins making throw after throw tonight. These guys are ridiculed by their fan bases. Meanwhile our fan base makes excuses for a QB with a QBR in the bottom 4
Prescott and Cousins have never been in a Superbowl. They also have better olines. Again it's not hard to figure out.



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So whats the solution. Just let Goff walk and go back to the Keenums of the world?
I know exactly.

SoCal’s constant rant on all that is wrong gets a bit old.........
Everyone is entitled to a opinion.

I would just take it more seriously if those people would offer realistic solutions. Anyone can complain, it's not that hard. I just find the Goff haters particularly more humorous. The guy lead the Rams to a Superbowl in his 3rd season. I mean we could have a all time great like Dan Marino or Phillip Rivers and all of their rings. Because winning the Superbowl is every year is so easy and what not.
On every Ram board I have ever spent any time on, there is always a passionate contingent of fans who blame everything on the starting qb. I remember all of the posters who were ready to move on from Kurt Warner when he was struggling during an 0-5 start the year after the Super Bowl loss. Bulger looked great and it was time to turn the page. Still the biggest mistake the Rams have made in my 45 years watching the Rams. Goff is a franchise qb, and I am not interested in watching him win somewhere else while we hit the reset button every two or three years.



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I’ve always liked Goff, but watching all of these other qb’s today, he is just not up to par. I am watching other qb’s scramble, roll out, step up in the pocket, twist and turn, make space then hit their receiver. Goff drops back a step or two, then can’t move beyond that. I’m sorry, there is no comparison and he is to skinny.
that is my main issue with him . Also the fact that he has horrible pocket presence and when facing good defenses he is a turnover machine with 1-3 Tos and another 3-4 that ALMOST happened every time . When facing the bengals and falcons he looked pretty good thought , obviously . I would like him GONE ASAP , but hellram has a point , get rid of him and replace him with WHO ? We dont even have a first round pick for the next 100 years lol .

So , IMO , goff is and always will be an average / mediocre QB . But that is not that bad , it just means the team needs to have a SUPER ULTRA FUCKING GOOD o line and the same for a run game . But then you ask , he is eating up 140 m of the cap and was a first round pick and he needs all that ? Any QB can do well with a super strong O line and insane run game . yes , that is the problem with the rams , overpaying for him . Now there is no more money to build that insane o line that he needs . Oh and we also overpayed a running back that CAN'T get more than 10-12 touches per game because he is damaged goods . Another stupid mistake by the GM .

If they can't build a strong o line via free agency next season , next season is gonna be as shitty as this .



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I know exactly.

SoCal’s constant rant on all that is wrong gets a bit old.........
Everyone is entitled to a opinion.

I would just take it more seriously if those people would offer realistic solutions. Anyone can complain, it's not that hard. I just find the Goff haters particularly more humorous. The guy lead the Rams to a Superbowl in his 3rd season. I mean we could have a all time great like Dan Marino or Phillip Rivers and all of their rings. Because winning the Superbowl is every year is so easy and what not.
On every Ram board I have ever spent any time on, there is always a passionate contingent of fans who blame everything on the starting qb. I remember all of the posters who were ready to move on from Kurt Warner when he was struggling during an 0-5 start the year after the Super Bowl loss. Bulger looked great and it was time to turn the page. Still the biggest mistake the Rams have made in my 45 years watching the Rams. Goff is a franchise qb, and I am not interested in watching him win somewhere else while we hit the reset button every two or three years.
Well said. I usually don't spend too much time debating with certain posters for the reasons you mention. Humans are stubborn by nature. For some people the one opinion they have is the only opinion.



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Everyone is entitled to a opinion.

I would just take it more seriously if those people would offer realistic solutions. Anyone can complain, it's not that hard. I just find the Goff haters particularly more humorous. The guy lead the Rams to a Superbowl in his 3rd season. I mean we could have a all time great like Dan Marino or Phillip Rivers and all of their rings. Because winning the Superbowl is every year is so easy and what not.
On every Ram board I have ever spent any time on, there is always a passionate contingent of fans who blame everything on the starting qb. I remember all of the posters who were ready to move on from Kurt Warner when he was struggling during an 0-5 start the year after the Super Bowl loss. Bulger looked great and it was time to turn the page. Still the biggest mistake the Rams have made in my 45 years watching the Rams. Goff is a franchise qb, and I am not interested in watching him win somewhere else while we hit the reset button every two or three years.
Well said. I usually don't spend too much time debating with certain posters for the reasons you mention. Humans are stubborn by nature. For some people the one opinion they have is the only opinion.
Haha. Yes, you are right. What bothers me, though, is that we have had more success in the last two years under McVay and Goff, and at the first sign of adversity, people are ready to pronounce them as busts and move on to the next option. Are you kidding me?



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I don’t give a fuck what the solutions are. He’s not a franchise QB. Teams kill themselves by overpaying for marginal talent. Case Keenum scrub bum that he is Was in the NFC title game two years ago in the right situation. Nick Foles won a super bowl. Rams not only traded up for Jared goof killing their draft capital for many years. They then doubled down and paid him a massive extension. Dude is like bottom 4 in QBR this year. Okay okay. I hear the excuses. Offensive line and running game not cutting it. That’s true. That’s an excuse. It’s not a compliment to his skill set. Lot of QBs excel with a great running back and very good offensive line.
Of course he is a franchise QB. His career stats and win loss record prove that. It's a bad year. All the greats have em. Some people just over think it. McVay has gone mia, oline sucks and the Rams are just off. It's happend to every coach and player that has played the game. McVay and Goff are no different.
Everyone does have an opinion but IMO, humble as it may be, Goff is not a franchise QB. He is not a QB that can take over a game period. This year his play has been horrendous and yes his OL sucks but he has missed so many guys wide open and some of the picks he has thrown have been awful. The scaries thing for me though is the deer in the headlights look he always has. Snead made a huge mistake signing this guy to that kind of money. Unfortunately we are going to have to deal with it.



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I don’t give a fuck what the solutions are. He’s not a franchise QB. Teams kill themselves by overpaying for marginal talent. Case Keenum scrub bum that he is Was in the NFC title game two years ago in the right situation. Nick Foles won a super bowl. Rams not only traded up for Jared goof killing their draft capital for many years. They then doubled down and paid him a massive extension. Dude is like bottom 4 in QBR this year. Okay okay. I hear the excuses. Offensive line and running game not cutting it. That’s true. That’s an excuse. It’s not a compliment to his skill set. Lot of QBs excel with a great running back and very good offensive line.
Of course he is a franchise QB. His career stats and win loss record prove that. It's a bad year. All the greats have em. Some people just over think it. McVay has gone mia, oline sucks and the Rams are just off. It's happend to every coach and player that has played the game. McVay and Goff are no different.
Everyone does have an opinion but IMO, humble as it may be, Goff is not a franchise QB. He is not a QB that can take over a game period. This year his play has been horrendous and yes his OL sucks but he has missed so many guys wide open and some of the picks he has thrown have been awful. The scaries thing for me though is the deer in the headlights look he always has. Snead made a huge mistake signing this guy to that kind of money. Unfortunately we are going to have to deal with it.
This. How many open receivers for TDs has he missed this year? 4 or 5? Guy has 11 TD passes in 9 games. It's a joke. He's completing 60% of his passes, which is terrible in today's game. Eye test, advanced and traditional metrics point to him being a lower tier QB.

The Rams offensive line does suck, so does Goff. Both things can be true and are.


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On every Ram board I have ever spent any time on, there is always a passionate contingent of fans who blame everything on the starting qb. I remember all of the posters who were ready to move on from Kurt Warner when he was struggling during an 0-5 start the year after the Super Bowl loss. Bulger looked great and it was time to turn the page. Still the biggest mistake the Rams have made in my 45 years watching the Rams. Goff is a franchise qb, and I am not interested in watching him win somewhere else while we hit the reset button every two or three years.
Kurt Warner played terribly back in 2002, he was 0-8 as a starter due to both physical and psychological problems. In the '03 season opener, he clearly still was being affected negatively by those issues.

He finally began to recover significantly from those problems sometime during his '07 season with the Cardinals, after playing quite sparingly overall from '03-06.

Would Warner have been willing to continue sitting on the bench as the backup QB for the Rams during the '04-06 seasons, still struggling to regain his past form (most of it anyway) while Marc Bulger was performing effectively as our team's starting QB? After basically being benched following the '03 season opener, didn't he request his release following that season's conclusion, which had featured our team winning its last NFC West title while in St. Louis?

"Well, if he'd remained in a Rams uniform, he would somehow have recovered most of his 1999-'01 form by the '04 season, even though that actually didn't happen until '07 in the real world." (He never recovered all of his 'GSOT' form, I'd say he had 85-90% of it in '08-09.)

While Jared Goff isn't remotely close to the Warner of '99-'01, he's considerably better than the Warner of '02-06, although not nearly so effective as the Bulger of '02-06.

However, Goff has obviously regressed this year, that can't reasonably be denied... ;) :? :|

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They started out with Goff under center, I’ve always said he was much more effective in the shotgun, when he was finally put back there, we played much better...
That damned D shut us down, seems to be a trend lately...
I have developed from liking theSteelers to loathing them...
The refs did suck...out loud...



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They started out with Goff under center, I’ve always said he was much more effective in the shotgun, when he was finally put back there, we played much better...
That damned D shut us down, seems to be a trend lately...
I have developed from liking theSteelers to loathing them...
The refs did suck...out loud...
Goff has also done really well under hurry up. It's funny when people call Goff a system QB under McVay. Everything Goff succeeded at in college is the opposite of what system he has ran as a pro. It's amazing how fans and media members are just plain clueless.

I'm starting to get worried about McVays ability to adapt and adjust his system a little more to his players strengths.



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Rams had this year, then Goff's 5th year option next season to evaluate him better. Why would you extend him way before you had to? Now I'm not saying they shouldn't give him this contract if he's going to be the QB going forward, just why do it that early?



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Everyone is entitled to a opinion.

I would just take it more seriously if those people would offer realistic solutions. Anyone can complain, it's not that hard. I just find the Goff haters particularly more humorous. The guy lead the Rams to a Superbowl in his 3rd season. I mean we could have a all time great like Dan Marino or Phillip Rivers and all of their rings. Because winning the Superbowl is every year is so easy and what not.
The guy “Goff” didn’t lead us to the Super Bowl . It’s obvious it was Gurley and the planning around Gurley! Ask yourself this!!! When we had the ball with 3 mins left, how many of you thought.... we got it, Goff’s going to get us the TD we need. I didn’t for a minute but I still hoped I was wrong! He has never won the game for us, the best he’s done has put the team in position for GZ to win it... that’s your QB!
Dude Gurley didn't even finish the season last year and harldy played in the playoffs. You forget already? If you're going to make a point...atleast be accurate with your assumption.
Gurley, CJ Anderson, Brown... the damn run game! So even though Gurley wasn’t at full strength towards the end, you’re trying to tell me that the game planning wasn’t focused to getting him or the RB the ball. Hell, defensive plans were to stop Gurley or CJ Anderson and Brown since you can’t seem to understand what I was saying, and to let Goff beat them. He’s not a terrible QB but he definitely isn’t the savior of this team.



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I am a Goff believer but have to admit I am getting frustrated with his inabilty to improvise and play as a #1 talent.. I have been blaming most of it on the piss poor play of the offensive line, but it is getting old and I know have to ask WTF is the staff doing to get this guy some help in preparing for we know will be happening the rest of the season? Specifically McVay



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I am a Goff believer but have to admit I am getting frustrated with his inabilty to improvise and play as a #1 talent.. I have been blaming most of it on the piss poor play of the offensive line, but it is getting old and I know have to ask WTF is the staff doing to get this guy some help in preparing for we know will be happening the rest of the season? Specifically McVay
He needs a ton of support, period. He's not getting anywhere near that right now.
Oline and a scheme that works.
He can make throws and read defenses.. he's not much of an improviser and seems to have a hard time throwing guys open or fitting stuff into tight coverage.


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I am a Goff believer but have to admit I am getting frustrated with his inabilty to improvise and play as a #1 talent.. I have been blaming most of it on the piss poor play of the offensive line, but it is getting old and I know have to ask WTF is the staff doing to get this guy some help in preparing for we know will be happening the rest of the season? Specifically McVay
He needs a ton of support, period. He's not getting anywhere near that right now.
Oline and a scheme that works.
He can make throws and read defenses.. he's not much of an improviser and seems to have a hard time throwing guys open or fitting stuff into tight coverage.
Throwing guys open has been one aspect of Goff I expected much more from him. Especially when you watch his college tape. The Rams don't really have throw em open type WR's so much, maybe outisde of Kupp and Everett. But overall he has been disappointing in that regard. Goff also plays less athletic then he is. He has the abilty to scramble but very seldom does. Last year he had over a 100 rush yards. Half way through this season he has under 20.

I'm also a believer McVays system is not natural to the type of QB Goff is. The excessive amount of drop backs under center, longer developing plays and ect. Not that Goff doesn't have ability to play in any offense. Because he can. However, at CAL he was very good at getting the ball out quick. Goff always seem to be at his best when the Rams are in hurry up. Which for some reason we keep seeing less and less of from them.

It's starting to look like a bigger mess then we could have expected.



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I am a Goff believer but have to admit I am getting frustrated with his inabilty to improvise and play as a #1 talent.. I have been blaming most of it on the piss poor play of the offensive line, but it is getting old and I know have to ask WTF is the staff doing to get this guy some help in preparing for we know will be happening the rest of the season? Specifically McVay
He needs a ton of support, period. He's not getting anywhere near that right now.
Oline and a scheme that works.
He can make throws and read defenses.. he's not much of an improviser and seems to have a hard time throwing guys open or fitting stuff into tight coverage.
Throwing guys open has been one aspect of Goff I expected much more from him. Especially when you watch his college tape. The Rams don't really have throw em open type WR's so much, maybe outisde of Kupp and Everett. But overall he has been disappointing in that regard. Goff also plays less athletic then he is. He has the abilty to scramble but very seldom does. Last year he had over a 100 rush yards. Half way through this season he had under 20.

I'm also a believer McVays system is not natural to the type of QB Goff is. The excessive amount of drop backs under center, longer developing plays and ect. Not that Goff doesn't have ability to play in any offense. Because he can. However, at CAL he was very good at getting the ball out quick. Goff always seem to be at his best when the Rams are in hurry up. Which for some reason we keep seeing less and less of from them.

It's starting to look like a bigger mess then we could have expected.
I have the same feelings when it comes to disappointment over him not throwing guys open and not running more.
I don't agree about the fit with McVay. We saw what that looks like when it works, and it's incredible. But... everything has to be working.


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He needs a ton of support, period. He's not getting anywhere near that right now.
Oline and a scheme that works.
He can make throws and read defenses.. he's not much of an improviser and seems to have a hard time throwing guys open or fitting stuff into tight coverage.
Throwing guys open has been one aspect of Goff I expected much more from him. Especially when you watch his college tape. The Rams don't really have throw em open type WR's so much, maybe outisde of Kupp and Everett. But overall he has been disappointing in that regard. Goff also plays less athletic then he is. He has the abilty to scramble but very seldom does. Last year he had over a 100 rush yards. Half way through this season he had under 20.

I'm also a believer McVays system is not natural to the type of QB Goff is. The excessive amount of drop backs under center, longer developing plays and ect. Not that Goff doesn't have ability to play in any offense. Because he can. However, at CAL he was very good at getting the ball out quick. Goff always seem to be at his best when the Rams are in hurry up. Which for some reason we keep seeing less and less of from them.

It's starting to look like a bigger mess then we could have expected.
I have the same feelings when it comes to disappointment over him not throwing guys open and not running more.
I don't agree about the fit with McVay. We saw what that looks like when it works, and it's incredible. But... everything has to be working.
I'm not saying he doesn't fit McVays offense. It was effective when teams had no blue print to it. But I also believe Goff's skill set would fit a Andy Reid's west coast offense much for example. Getting the ball out quick and accurately in a spread out shotgun offense was what got Goff drafted. The knock was how he would play in a pro style offense. Which obviously he has succeed at up to now.



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Throwing guys open has been one aspect of Goff I expected much more from him. Especially when you watch his college tape. The Rams don't really have throw em open type WR's so much, maybe outisde of Kupp and Everett. But overall he has been disappointing in that regard. Goff also plays less athletic then he is. He has the abilty to scramble but very seldom does. Last year he had over a 100 rush yards. Half way through this season he had under 20.

I'm also a believer McVays system is not natural to the type of QB Goff is. The excessive amount of drop backs under center, longer developing plays and ect. Not that Goff doesn't have ability to play in any offense. Because he can. However, at CAL he was very good at getting the ball out quick. Goff always seem to be at his best when the Rams are in hurry up. Which for some reason we keep seeing less and less of from them.

It's starting to look like a bigger mess then we could have expected.
I have the same feelings when it comes to disappointment over him not throwing guys open and not running more.
I don't agree about the fit with McVay. We saw what that looks like when it works, and it's incredible. But... everything has to be working.
I'm not saying he doesn't fit McVays offense. It was effective when teams had no blue print to it. But I also believe Goff's skill set would fit a Andy Reid's west coast offense much for example. Getting the ball out quick and accurately in a spread out shotgun offense was what got Goff drafted. The knock was how he would play in a pro style offense. Which obviously he has succeed at up to now.
Gotcha.
One thing I do hope they emulate from KC is adding some pure speed. I don't care if it's a couple of undersized burners... I just want to add some guys that can score from 80 yards on any play.


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I’ve always liked Goff, but watching all of these other qb’s today, he is just not up to par. I am watching other qb’s scramble, roll out, step up in the pocket, twist and turn, make space then hit their receiver. Goff drops back a step or two, then can’t move beyond that. I’m sorry, there is no comparison and he is to skinny.
He is running the offense given to him by McVay.......

I don’t care what what level you are talking about. Pro, college, High School or youth. Your job as a HC is to put your players in a position to where they can succeed. To recognize your players strengths as well as weeknesses. McVay has not done a good job at all this year in doing such. Do not roll Goff out behind and offensive line that cannot protect him in the pocket is poor coaching. Goff did not roll out today by choice.
Others may know details better than me, but Goff success is fine tuned by his coaching. Improvisation is not his strength. He floundered under Fisher, responded well to McVay, but was exposed in the SB game plan without a strong running game. McVay’s once imaginative scheme is no surprise anymore, and Goff is still attempting to execute it with depleted resources. Garappolo and Goff each seem to have similar inconsistent performance when pressured when running game is stalled.



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I’ve always liked Goff, but watching all of these other qb’s today, he is just not up to par. I am watching other qb’s scramble, roll out, step up in the pocket, twist and turn, make space then hit their receiver. Goff drops back a step or two, then can’t move beyond that. I’m sorry, there is no comparison and he is to skinny.
He is running the offense given to him by McVay.......

I don’t care what what level you are talking about. Pro, college, High School or youth. Your job as a HC is to put your players in a position to where they can succeed. To recognize your players strengths as well as weeknesses. McVay has not done a good job at all this year in doing such. Do not roll Goff out behind and offensive line that cannot protect him in the pocket is poor coaching. Goff did not roll out today by choice.
Others may know details better than me, but Goff success is fine tuned by his coaching. Improvisation is not his strength. He floundered under Fisher, responded well to McVay, but was exposed in the SB game plan without a strong running game. McVay’s once imaginative scheme is no surprise anymore, and Goff is still attempting to execute it with depleted resources. Garappolo and Goff each seem to have similar inconsistent performance when pressured when running game is stalled.
That's true to a extent. However, it was just last year when Goff out dueled Mahomes in a big game. The Rams didn't have much on the ground that game. So Goff has the ability to carry a team under adequate circumstances. We haven't quite seen that from Jimmy G yet. I do agree Goff does lack some intangibles. Hopefully he can develop that over time.



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Rams would be as successful with Ryan Tannahill. I’ve followed every Goff game since year 1 in college. I’m a cal fan. Went to his first game against northwestern in fact. Nothing about him a special. Nothing.
All the conditions and variables have to be set before he can throw dimes. Seems like a nice kid but not a leader of men. He moves like a gazelle on ice; he can never make anything happen if it is not all laid out before him. How many balls does he have batted down and his height was supposed to be a strength. He never seems to move in the pocket except to hit the turf while coughing up the ball many times along the way. We could very well see another phantom sack by a Ram quarterback before the season is done. The league knows he's nothing special and he does not have the toughness to prove otherwise...he's susceptible to seeing ghosts and he was chosen by Fisher not a great judge of QB talent...but we are stuck, and the good-vibe ride is over...how short it was!



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fan since 65 wrote:
Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:57 pm
SoCalRam78 wrote:
Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:25 pm
Rams would be as successful with Ryan Tannahill. I’ve followed every Goff game since year 1 in college. I’m a cal fan. Went to his first game against northwestern in fact. Nothing about him a special. Nothing.
All the conditions and variables have to be set before he can throw dimes. Seems like a nice kid but not a leader of men. He moves like a gazelle on ice; he can never make anything happen if it is not all laid out before him. How many balls does he have batted down and his height was supposed to be a strength. He never seems to move in the pocket except to hit the turf while coughing up the ball many times along the way. We could very well see another phantom sack by a Ram quarterback before the season is done. The league knows he's nothing special and he does not have the toughness to prove otherwise...he's susceptible to seeing ghosts and he was chosen by Fisher not a great judge of QB talent...but we are stuck, and the good-vibe ride is over...how short it was!
This is what we call being dramatic.

Goff was ranked the 33rd best player in the NFL by his fellow players. Ahead of guys like Ryan and Rivers. So that disproves one of your points. Say what you want about Goff he stands in the pocket and takes a beating. I have no clue what you mean by "phantom sack". If you are suggesting Goff doesn't stand in the pocket under pressure. Age has definitely effected your ability to comprehend what you are seeing. They're is knocks on Goff. None of yours just happen to be accurate that is.



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Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:36 pm

use the google machine and look up Jim Everett and phantom sack...I could care less about how he was ranked by fellow players in the past...meaningless to the conversation at hand...



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use the google machine and look up Jim Everett and phantom sack...I could care less about how he was ranked by fellow players in the past...meaningless to the conversation at hand...
Jim Everett is relevant to Goff how?

While the players vote may not mean anything to you. It did actually happen and it puts some perspective on the matter. I can agree this year is different and odds are Goff might not even make this list. So be it. Its a bad year for the Rams, not just Goff. I cant imagine any QB other then Wilson that would be performing well under the Rams current circumstances.



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