zackn wrote: ↑
Sat May 23, 2020 3:20 pm
All I am saying is that even with a bad line Goff should not have regressed that much.
First we pretend to know how Jackson etc. would play behind injury damaged OLs. They actually play behind top OLs but let's erase that fact and pretend it's all entirely on the qb.
Next we pretend to know exactly how much a qb "ought to" regress behind a shaky and injury damaged OL.
That's right up there with the myth that good qbs NEVER regress behind shaky and injury damaged OLs. Only the bad ones do apparently (according to the myth).
Meanwhile as the OL settled down toward the end of the 2019 season passing performance went (predictably) up.
I will look at some facts. The most infamous Rams OL injury wreck was in 2007 (though were those then too who tried to put it all on the qb).
So here's Bulger in 2006 v. 2007, and Goff in 2018 v. 2019.
BULGER 2006: 62.9% completions, 4.1% TD percent, 1.4% Int percent, 7.3 YPA, qb rating of 92.9
BULGER 2007: 58.5% completions, 2.9% TD percent, 4.0% Int percent, 6.3 YPA, qb rating of 70.3
GOFF 2018: 64.9% completions, 5.7% TD percent, 2.1% Int percent, 8.4 YPA, qb rating of 101.1
GOFF 2019: 62.9% completions, 3.5% TD percent, 2.6% Int percent, 7.4 YPA, qb rating of 86.5
Adjusting for the difference in eras, it does not look all that different to me. Though Goff's increase in INTs was minimal (0.5% increase).
Well, it is pretty obvious jackson and mobile qbs would not regress that much if they are playing behind a bad o line because they can scramble and create plays with their legs . Isn't that a bit obvious ?
Second , NO , I don't pretend to know how much EXACTLY a qb should regress behind a bad oline , every qb is different and has a different skill set and style of play . All I said is that in MY OPINION , JG regressed TOO much , and even the man himself SAID that he didn't play well and he could have done a much better job. Your opinion is different than mine and different than JG's himself ? Be my guess .
And stop lying , again . I never said a good QB won't regress behind a bad line . I said there are TONS of examples of GOOD / DECENT qb play BEHIND bad lines , just to show you that even when the line is bad the QB CAN ACTUALLY maintain some of his performance even if not exactly the same , but something decent and sorry but , 22 tds with 21 turnovers is not DECENT by most people's standards . I never said a good qb won't regress. He can and should regress , but not that much - MY opinion - . You don't like it or have a different one ? I don't care and I won't change mine .
Another thing , you are comparing JG do Bulger , really ? WOW . I thought JG was elite and franchise QB ? You are comparing him to BULGER , thank you for making my point that JG is an average QB .
BTW - Not sure where you are getting your stats from .
JG 2018 - 32 TDS and 12 picks
JG 2019 - 22 TDS and 16 picks.
How is that the increase in picks is 0.5 % from 18 to 19 ? what kind of math is that ?
From 12 to 16 , by my math we are talking 33 % increase in the number of PICKS .
And when comparing TDS , in 2018 he threw about 43 % more tds when compared to 2019 .
AND stats don't tell the whole story , eye test is important too . Those 16 picks in 2019 should have been WAY more , easily 30 . I can't even count how many dropped picks by defenders happened in that season , picks so easy that defenders RARELY drop them but JG had that going for him in that last season . He got really LUCKY with some of those horrible passes . REALLY . Could easily be 30 picks . EASILY .
I will keep saying JG is average until I see that he can carry a team without having the BEST OFFENSIVE player by his side and the number 1 RATED o line . Because yes , the rams o line were not just decent in 17-18 like you said. They were ranked 1 and 2 , respectively ( or 2 and 1 , something like that ) . He also had that monster called todd gurley doing his thing . Gurley in his prime ( 17-18 ) was the most dangerous weapon in the NFL . I wouldn't trade any PLAYER for that gurley . Guy could do it all , having gurley as a weapon was almost like playing in cheat mode , that is how good he was in 17-18 ( most of 18 anyway , before the injury). So , when you have ALL that going for you , it is kinda easy to play well , he had his merits of course , I am not denying that BUT you put any MEDIOCRE qb in that position ( great coach , best offensive player in the league and best o line in the league ) and MOST of them would likely succeed and have good numbers. But look what happened when the o line got bad and he didn't " have " gurley anymore . 21 turnovers and no playoffs .