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Biggest issue for me was how he went about it. He’s an employee, nothing more. If he wants to be an advocate and go about it the right way I would applaud him. Trying to hijack a platform that isn’t his is wrong. NFL football belongs to the owners who are the ones with the investment.
Calling NFL players "employees" is a stretch, at best.
They're actually the product.

So.. they are as much the platform as anything else in the league.
Players have zero dollars invested. Owners are the ones who take all the risk. Players sign a contract and are paid by the owners as an employee. Not sure what the stretch is
The stretch is that the players are the product.

Risk? I’d suggest players are risking a lot more, every time they suit up than the owners ever will.

What risk did Dean Spanos take? Lol


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Calling NFL players "employees" is a stretch, at best.
They're actually the product.

So.. they are as much the platform as anything else in the league.
Players have zero dollars invested. Owners are the ones who take all the risk. Players sign a contract and are paid by the owners as an employee. Not sure what the stretch is
The stretch is that the players are the product.

Risk? I’d suggest players are risking a lot more, every time they suit up than the owners ever will.

What risk did Dean Spanos take? Lol
Employees are what make every business run. Players trained and were trained in the same way most employees learn their craft, go to school etc. Again, owners are the only ones who’ve invested anything. NFL franchises weren’t always as profitable as they are now. Lots of owners scraped and put everything they had in to buying a team.



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Players have zero dollars invested. Owners are the ones who take all the risk. Players sign a contract and are paid by the owners as an employee. Not sure what the stretch is
The stretch is that the players are the product.

Risk? I’d suggest players are risking a lot more, every time they suit up than the owners ever will.

What risk did Dean Spanos take? Lol
Employees are what make every business run. Players trained and were trained in the same way most employees learn their craft, go to school etc. Again, owners are the only ones who’ve invested anything. NFL franchises weren’t always as profitable as they are now. Lots of owners scraped and put everything they had in to buying a team.
Gonna step back here.
Legally? Absolutely, they’re employees.

Functionally? They are more than that. They are *also* the product.

Is the benefit the Bengals are getting out of Joe Burrough a result of development? Of course not.

There’s been no risk in owning an NFL team in decades. Be real.


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KellyF wrote:
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Players have zero dollars invested. Owners are the ones who take all the risk. Players sign a contract and are paid by the owners as an employee. Not sure what the stretch is
The stretch is that the players are the product.

Risk? I’d suggest players are risking a lot more, every time they suit up than the owners ever will.

What risk did Dean Spanos take? Lol
Employees are what make every business run. Players trained and were trained in the same way most employees learn their craft, go to school etc. Again, owners are the only ones who’ve invested anything. NFL franchises weren’t always as profitable as they are now. Lots of owners scraped and put everything they had in to buying a team.
Owners benefit from a league that negotiated a share-all super network contract. Their share of that network contract covers all team costs with money left over, They didn't "risk" anything, they bought in on a safe investment and did none of the work that makes it a safe investment. The romantic days of owners who built teams out of nothing? That was over a long time ago.



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Players are paid good money, to play a game, and take risks, like firemen. Whose job is more important, football players or firemen? Firemen. Football is entertainment.To call players product, is an opinion of one's talent to entertain/ perform effectively on the field. The game is the real product, football is the product in the larger sense. TV money is paid for football games. The game goes on even if star players get hurt and can't play, the game is bigger than the players. Players come and go, but the game remains. Players are employees. If Mick Jagger has a problem and can't sing, the Rolling Stones don't play. No player in the NFL, filled with great players, is bigger than the game. The players formed, and joined a union to protect their interests as employees of the NFL. Which proves in the nitty-gritty world of real life, the players are employees. And fans may view the players as product, because fans want to entertained. A game that counts, if played with no fans in stands, no tv or radio, THEN there is no product, but there still was football. Players are union employees of the NFL and the relationship with fans, is that of product, viewed with ticket, or on radio or tv. And the owners have the financial risks, but it would take too long to explain to the socialist/commies, I can't be bothered now.To sum up , the players are employees, fans and media present/view them as product.



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The stretch is that the players are the product.

Risk? I’d suggest players are risking a lot more, every time they suit up than the owners ever will.

What risk did Dean Spanos take? Lol
Employees are what make every business run. Players trained and were trained in the same way most employees learn their craft, go to school etc. Again, owners are the only ones who’ve invested anything. NFL franchises weren’t always as profitable as they are now. Lots of owners scraped and put everything they had in to buying a team.
Owners benefit from a league that negotiated a share-all super network contract. Their share of that network contract covers all team costs with money left over, They didn't "risk" anything, they bought in on a safe investment and did none of the work that makes it a safe investment. The romantic days of owners who built teams out of nothing? That was over a long time ago.
I don't see how you don't see that players are actually employees. they are interchangeable if one players doesn't like the system and quits who cares. the NFL will always be there and the owners will always have players who want to play for the as an employee.



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Players are paid good money, to play a game, and take risks, like firemen. Whose job is more important, football players or firemen? Firemen. Football is entertainment.To call players product, is an opinion of one's talent to entertain/ perform effectively on the field. The game is the real product, football is the product in the larger sense. TV money is paid for football games. The game goes on even if star players get hurt and can't play, the game is bigger than the players. Players come and go, but the game remains. Players are employees. If Mick Jagger has a problem and can't sing, the Rolling Stones don't play. No player in the NFL, filled with great players, is bigger than the game. The players formed, and joined a union to protect their interests as employees of the NFL. Which proves in the nitty-gritty world of real life, the players are employees. And fans may view the players as product, because fans want to entertained. A game that counts, if played with no fans in stands, no tv or radio, THEN there is no product, but there still was football. Players are union employees of the NFL and the relationship with fans, is that of product, viewed with ticket, or on radio or tv. And the owners have the financial risks, but it would take too long to explain to the socialist/commies, I can't be bothered now.To sum up , the players are employees, fans and media present/view them as product.
Depends on what you want to define as "important". If generating vast amounts of money for owners, trickling all the way down to the hotdog vendor is the importance, then yes, football is more important than firefighting (stupid comparison btw). The money thru advertising and game day tickets/concessions attracts the world's richest men to buy into for a reason. Sure ego and sports interest is part of it, but…

It's a star driven league. If the stars dry up, the product suffers (people are attracted to the best). Yes, the Stones aren't the same without Jagger. Film won't generate the same interest without the top quality/demanded actors. Sports, yeah it's a battle from top to bottom. You try making it to the NFL. It's supply and demand, and the demand is huge for the NFL, college football etc. The players have a lot more pull than the average citizen, otherwise you'd see a lot more "stars" working the assembly lines at Joeblow industries holding out for Aaron Donald money.

They get exactly what they "deserve" within the system we've designed. Just like firefighters, just like minimum-wage workers (so to speak).



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As Dave Megessey stated years ago about the NFL : The owners are the "players", the players are the "equipment".



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Rampower, are you are a nutjob? Firefighters risk their lives, to save property and lives. Football players are entertainers, like strippers. If the Rams tank big time, you might not even care about the RAMS' next game. When the Rams play very poorly, strippers would be more fun to watch. Society cannot function without firefighters, but if the left gets their way and football is abolished, millions of people that are not football fans, would not notice nor care. Think about firefighters on 9/11 and think about the moron piece of shit, Nike stooge, dumbfuck 49er kneeing crybaby child , Colin X Kaepernick. I got benched so I'm gonna start kneeing about the police. Colin X , Nike millionaire crybaby fraud, ESPN, NFL icon, is a useful idiot of the progressive left, nothing else. Football players are entertainment for you, firefighters might save your life. Get a grip.
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Rampower, are you are a nutjob? Firefighters risk their lives, to save property and lives. Football players are entertainers, like strippers. If the Rams tank big time, you might not even care about the RAMS' next game. When the Rams play very poorly, strippers would be more fun to watch. Society cannot function without firefighters, but if the left gets their way and football is abolished, millions of people that are not football fans, would not notice nor care. Think about firefighters on 9/11 and think about the moron piece of shit, Nike stooge, dumbfuck 49er kneeing crybaby child , Colin X Kaepernick. I got benched so I'm gonna start kneeing about the police. Colin X , Nike millionaire crybaby fraud, ESPN, NFL icon, is a useful idiot of the progressive left, nothing else. Football players are entertainment for you, firefighters might save your life. Get a grip.
Almost nothing you're saying has anything to do with my post of course. Looks like your emotion has you a bit ahead of your horse here...to the point of flying over the top and dislodging your head from your body :D



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Your silly time is over, time for your nap.



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As Dave Megessey stated years ago about the NFL : The owners are the "players", the players are the "equipment".
Lol. It doesn't matter who an owner is. It's the players that matter. Without the players what the owners own is the XFL.

Players know this and it's why the league can do nothing unless it negotiates with the union and guarantees them a big percentage of the revenue, in advance.

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You first.
So you believe servicemen and women fought for the idea that the constitution DOES NOT allow for peaceful protest?

I believe they fought to preserve a constitution that does allow for peaceful protest.



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Of course I do. I can also protest, right?



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Of course I do. I can also protest, right?
Ironically, the very way you put that implies that questioning someone's right to express peaceful protest is a problem.

Anyway. I am not questioning your right, I am questioning the accuracy of your claims about the kneeling.

The kneeling has nothing to do with the military (the anthem honors the constitution--the military does not own the national anthem, plus the military isn't worth anything UNLESS its purpose is to defend the constitution). So that form of protest has nothing to do with disrespecting the flag, or people who served. It is peaceful protest aimed at national problems having to do with issues of race and law enforcement.

As it happens the majority agree that's a legit issue. Which is another reason why the kneeling will continue.
from 74% Of Americans Support George Floyd Protests, Majority Disapprove Of Trump’s Handling, Poll Says

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an overwhelming majority of Americans support recent protests against racism and police brutality....Support for the Floyd protests along party lines: 87% of Democrats, 76% of independents, and notably, a Republican majority of 53%.
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Americans overwhelmingly support the nationwide protests that have taken place since the killing of George Floyd at the hands of police in Minneapolis, and they say police forces have not done enough to ensure that blacks are treated equally to whites, according to a Washington Post-Schar School poll.

More than 2 in 3 Americans (69 percent) say the killing of Floyd represents a broader problem within law enforcement, compared with fewer than 1 in 3 (29 percent) who say the Minneapolis killing is an isolated incident…
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As Dave Megessey stated years ago about the NFL : The owners are the "players", the players are the "equipment".
Lol. It doesn't matter who an owner is. It's the players that matter. Without the players what the owners own is the XFL.

Players know this and it's why the league can do nothing unless it negotiates with the union and guarantees them a big percentage of the revenue, in advance.

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the players aren't going anywhere this is the only game in town and the owners know this. sure the owners are starting to give up more to the revenue pie to the players but at this point in time the players have no where else to go.



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Kapernick:
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."

Pretty much sums it up.


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zackn wrote:
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Hari rama wrote:
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As Dave Megessey stated years ago about the NFL : The owners are the "players", the players are the "equipment".
Lol. It doesn't matter who an owner is. It's the players that matter. Without the players what the owners own is the XFL.

Players know this and it's why the league can do nothing unless it negotiates with the union and guarantees them a big percentage of the revenue, in advance.

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the players aren't going anywhere this is the only game in town and the owners know this. sure the owners are starting to give up more to the revenue pie to the players but at this point in time the players have no where else to go.
And without the players the owners have nothing to sell and no reason to own teams.

Shrug.



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Kapernick:
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."

Pretty much sums it up.
Now it's time to make a survey of United States history to determine if that claim has factual basis or not, I'm figuring.

Whether the guy has "pride" in that aspect of America, that's his personal perspective, of course.

As was recently shown on a tweeted video of a pro-Trump demonstration in Florida, some people certainly do have "pride" about it... ;) :? :roll:

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Of course I do. I can also protest, right?
If you object to Colin Kaepernick making critical comments about the U.S. troops who landed in Normandy back in June of 1944, you certainly can protest it.

If you object to his claim that our country shouldn't have stood against fascism during World War II, you can protest that.

The image reminded me that while American GIs were fighting to liberate western Europe from the Nazis, back home in the U.S.A. black Americans were being lynched ('legally' and illegally) for fabricated "crimes."

If that was the point, I appreciate the irony involved... ;) :? :|

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Lol. It doesn't matter who an owner is. It's the players that matter. Without the players what the owners own is the XFL.

Players know this and it's why the league can do nothing unless it negotiates with the union and guarantees them a big percentage of the revenue, in advance.

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the players aren't going anywhere this is the only game in town and the owners know this. sure the owners are starting to give up more to the revenue pie to the players but at this point in time the players have no where else to go.
And without the players the owners have nothing to sell and no reason to own teams.

Shrug.
true but again it's the only game in town. they aren't going anywhere



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If you are white and beaten up, mistreated or killed by police, won't make the news, nobody cares. If a white cop kills someone black, let the burning and looting begin. It's not the 1920's , there is every damn racial law on the books, for years. If someone murders and breaks the law, that does not make it legal or just to burn down American cities. It is insane, corporations are sending donations to BLM a group founded by marxist, black racists. Colin X supports the looters. What if looters hit Nike stores, still okay? This post is not political. If it was a political post, I would have pointed out that Kaepernick is a Nike fraud, piece of shit. But I did not do that. Nor do I think that Obama is the first gay president. And Obama did not dress up like satan. That proves this post is non-political.
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Let me clear something up , I love clown pics. And I posted these pics several times, only because these are great clown pics. Some of the best ever. If you think this is political, that is on you. Just enjoy the pics, and you stop thinking everything is political.
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Let me clear something up , I love clown pics. And I posted these pics several times, only because these are great clown pics. Some of the best ever. If you think this is political, that is on you. Just enjoy the pics, and you stop thinking everything is political.
How about this clown?
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There is no clown pic here. If I was mean, I would ask you if you are a dim wit Russia hoax dude? But because I'm a good person, and this not a political post , hope you have a great day.



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