Ramman2999 wrote: ↑November 20th, 2022, 10:57 am You make great points. But only way this off season isn’t a failure unless you sign Aaron Judge and Jacob Degrom. We need the pitching depth.

And you gotta start Miguel Vargas.


Your rotation should look like

Degrom
Urias
Kershaw
May
Gonslin

Losing Tyler Anderson is huge they have to replace him.

Lineup should look like

Betts
Judge
Freeman
Smith
Turner/DH
Muncy
LuX
Vargas
Taylor

Ramman2999 wrote: ↑November 18th, 2022, 6:45 pm Fuck Andrew Friedman. Just letting our players go our Farm guys go.

Bellinger hit the home run to send us to the World Series. A comeback against the Braves. Won us the World Series. Let that sink in. Feels like Mike Piazza all over again.

Let’s not forget he only played one game in the NLDS against the Padres. Utter Bullshit.

He’s the best defensive center fielder in the Major League Baseball. Remember that home run against the Padres ask Manny Machado. Oh yeah.

He’s clutch got the clutch hits against the Giants won us that series. How about the play in against the Cardinals oh yeah he got on base before Taylor hit his home run. Not everybody plays clutch in the playoffs. Seems like the Dodgers are being cheap after getting thier ass kicked by the Padres.


And I’m a Dodger fan but this is bullshit. This is how you thank your fans???

Enough of this bullshit. You know why the pitching depth is fucked up? Cause a bitch decided to lie on Trevor Bauer. Yeah I said it. That same one who is a Padres fans. Who wanted to fuck up the Dodgers and Trevor Bauer. I’m not making it up. She said she wants to get in his head. All this shit is in court.

The judge who is female through it out her restraining order in court. And the DA said there’s not enough evidence and he through it out.

But they didn’t report that Hugh? Then you have Manfred who has a hard on for the Dodgers and Trevor Bauer give him a two game suspension for what?

They showed a picture of this pig laying in Bed with Trevor Bauer smiling, what a piece of shit.

So now we still haven’t replaced this guy in our rotation and we need him on our team.


Then you got Friedman he trades Josiah Gray and Keibert Ruiz for Max Schrerzer and Trei Turner. Okay! Bring something back sign Shrezer . r they didn’t even resign Shrezer. They just got cheap. At least try to sign Shrezer. It’s a joke. So now we have Trea Turner now we can’t sign him and that’s the shit that fucked with us. Guys didn’t know who was coming back. Why do they let guys hit free agency? Did they do that with Mookie.? They signed him right away so why not lock up Turner?


So we let Seager walk I don’t know only the MVP of our World Series Champions.


This team sucks. And now Bellinger. And the media will leak the bulllshit that Turner doesn’t want to be here and he prefers the east coast. Then why’d you trade for him? It’s bullshit. Just like the narrative that Seager wanted to go to Texas.

It’s all bullshit. Our bullpen is taxed we have no pitchers. Kershaw is at the end of his career. So what you wanna do run Urias arm into the ground?

And Gonslin???? Gonslin??? Really have you seen him in the post season? And don’t say he was injured cause he sucked in the postseason we won the World Series.

We let Bellinger go because Cody Bellinger was gonna get $20 million???? 20 million? The dodgers print that.

Meanwhile the Padres keep bitch slapping us Blake Snell gets traded there and we don’t get him. Then we don’t get Soto.

Fuck this shit we better sign Jacob Degrom and Aaron Judge. If we don’t we’ll keep getting our ass kicked by the Padres. And punked by the Padres. What a joke Dodgers think us Dodger fans are stupid.

Truth wrote: ↑November 8th, 2022, 9:25 am Bellinger is the key to the off-season. I really do wonder what the team is going to do with him next year. I remember when Shawn Green tore up his shoulder and was never the same hitter. With Bellinger, I mean it’s almost unbelievable how he went from an MVP candidate to a guy that can’t hit at all.

Ages 21-23 (OPS): 933,814,1.035
Ages 24-26 (OPS): 789, 542, 654

How is that even possible?

ocram23 wrote: ↑November 7th, 2022, 9:53 pm

GoldenRam wrote: ↑November 7th, 2022, 7:18 pm

Well .. made 25 mil last season and is opting out when he had a player option next year for 25 mil. Maybe this is just him opting out for a new deal from the Stro's but dude is 39, so how many years do you make that contract for. He was 18-4 1.75 .829 last season, so he still has some pop, or something.

Winning % with Houston is .763, so he may just go back. OTOH, he may look at recent history and see that Greinke was at his best here, that Scherzer didn't lose a game and was 1.98 .82 pitching for them
after 2.76 .89 with Washington before the trade. Will be interesting. Also, Met's closer Diaz is apparently a free agent as well. Be nice to pick him up while dumping Kimbrel

mets just signed Diaz today

GoldenRam wrote: ↑November 7th, 2022, 7:18 pm

ocram23 wrote: ↑November 7th, 2022, 1:50 pm

yeah Verlander is definitely interesting. wonder what he is going to demand on the open market?

dodgers will resign Kersh for sure.

Well .. made 25 mil last season and is opting out when he had a player option next year for 25 mil. Maybe this is just him opting out for a new deal from the Stro's but dude is 39, so how many years do you make that contract for. He was 18-4 1.75 .829 last season, so he still has some pop, or something.

Winning % with Houston is .763, so he may just go back. OTOH, he may look at recent history and see that Greinke was at his best here, that Scherzer didn't lose a game and was 1.98 .82 pitching for them
after 2.76 .89 with Washington before the trade. Will be interesting. Also, Met's closer Diaz is apparently a free agent as well. Be nice to pick him up while dumping Kimbrel

ocram23 wrote: ↑November 7th, 2022, 1:50 pm

GoldenRam wrote: ↑November 7th, 2022, 11:01 am How bout this duo in FA .. bring back Kersh, and sign Justin Verlander who has entered free agency

yeah Verlander is definitely interesting. wonder what he is going to demand on the open market?

dodgers will resign Kersh for sure.

GoldenRam wrote: ↑November 7th, 2022, 11:01 am How bout this duo in FA .. bring back Kersh, and sign Justin Verlander who has entered free agency

GoldenRam wrote: ↑November 4th, 2022, 9:42 pm One of those things I'm counting on is Vargas with the dual position.
Depending on what moves are made, We get a 3B and no LF, Vargas slides out. Get a LF and no 3B, Vargas plays third. One thing about the Dodgers, at least since the Lasorda days .. they will changes guys positions. Guys like Russell, Garvey, Marshall, Belli, all moved to make room, or fill a need. So guys who are already dual position players have a lot more value, assuming they don't suck at both and can hit.
Forgot that last season they were giving Lux time in CF. At least it gets him off SS

Utah Rams Fan wrote: ↑November 4th, 2022, 6:58 pm

GoldenRam wrote: ↑October 25th, 2022, 9:23 am I think at the end of the day Belli is gone as well, now we have a hole in center. Taylor can play center pretty well, but again .. that bat .. The catcher is Cartaya, but he's in A+ ball, he's at least a year away I believe. We need to find some FA's out there to fill some holes.

Bring up Outman……he’s an outfielder and killed it with the bat during his short stint with the team. I think he should have made the post season roster over Vargas.

GoldenRam wrote: ↑October 25th, 2022, 9:23 am I think at the end of the day Belli is gone as well, now we have a hole in center. Taylor can play center pretty well, but again .. that bat .. The catcher is Cartaya, but he's in A+ ball, he's at least a year away I believe. We need to find some FA's out there to fill some holes.

GoldenRam wrote: ↑October 30th, 2022, 1:52 pm I don't see TT coming back either. I guess it may boil down to $$. Can the Dodgers offer him enough to sway him? They had 1 1/2 seasons to see how valuable he is.I don't believe we have any SS in the minors ready, and most likely not as good offensively. So the ball would appear to be in court of our FO.

GoldenRam wrote: ↑October 29th, 2022, 9:42 pm Boegarts is on the market I believe, and if I recall he plays short, also Anderson is available .. but dude has a career OPS in the 700's. With 811 as league average, not exactly what I'd be looking for. Drury of Cinci is a FA, but hasn't done a lot. I suspect we'll end up back at good field no hit at SS unless we can mine a nugget someplace. The outfield really bugs me, but at least we're not constrained by looking only for a CF. Since Mookie can slide over, we can look for the best we can grab at either and go from there. I don't rec all when the last time the offseason was so unsettled. If both Turners are gone, thats 181 RBI we have to make up, not to mention losing TT's 194 hits at the top of the lineup.We lose a little with Belli as well 20+ HR and another 60+ RBI. We very well could be an entirely different team offensively. While Muncy is never gonna be a high average guy, if he can return to the 35 bombs guy, that would help. He normally has a good OPS and he's a very good career Secondary Average player, thanks to the walks. What puzzles me when I think of him is that when he was called up I thought Peters was the guy coming. Now 5 years later and Peters has never made it. Sure could stand to find another Piazza type in the minors somewhere. The pitching staff is even worse, nto only with all the flux, but with the Bauer thing hanging over year after year. I know he's played his last game in LA, and most probably in the bigs, but, never know.

Look at this kid Primo on the Spurs. Suspicion is the reason for his release was exposing himself to women. However, pending additional information, reports is that several teams are interested in picking him up. Only takes 1 team

GoldenRam wrote: ↑October 28th, 2022, 9:43 pm That was my "if the planets are positioned *just* right" lineup.
Outman is a big guy, so likely he gets a shot at LF, if the FO likes him. We know Roberts opinion means nothing.. MO, if Turner is gone, they go with Lux at SS. It's his natural position and the only reason he hasn't been playing there is Seager, then Turner. Only other guy on the current roster who could play SS is Taylor. At least Lux hit last season. So, at this point we would be

1B Freeman
2B Lux
SS Taylor
3B Vargas
C Smith
LF Outman
RF Betts
CF ?

That lineup ain't scaring anybody. Not sure that lineup is an 80 win team. We either need someone in the minors to step up big time. or find a big bat outfield (then move Mookie to CF) A SS (Correa is on the market) either in FA or by trade. We also have to be ready to pull the trigger in season if Vargas and our Outman aren't ready.

I'll have to look sometime this weekend and see who all is on the market. I posted a link. I'll double check, but outside of Judge and Correa, not much available

GoldenRam wrote: ↑October 27th, 2022, 7:01 pm I agree on the pitching, just a matter of how to acquire it. In reality, Kersh is the best available FA pitcher. So the only way to upgrade starters that i can see is trade. One of our minors pitchers could step up. By the end of the season Pepiot was doing better. As for trade, as normal humans, we have no idea who might be on the market BTW, *IF* May is well enough and Gonsolin come anywhere close to repeating last season, Kersh and Anderson both come back. we have five starters. Still have Urias. I know the Angels just extended him, but wonder if the Dodgers take at least a small run at Ohtani? Might be problematic as he'll want the DH job when not pitching, which means finding a position for Muncy. They're not paying the guy 13mil next season to sit on the bench and spot start. How about this lineup:

SS Turner
CF Betts
1B Freeman
RF Judge
2B Muncy
DH Ohtani
C Smith
3B Lux
LF Vargas

Pitchers
Urias
Gonsolin
Anderson
Kershaw
May
Pepiot
Martin
Ferguson
Treinen
Hudson
Phillips
Vesia

Bench
Taylor
Rios
Outman

Still need couple of players and if we can upgrade the last two bullpen guys, go for it. Hopefully Hudson comes back strong, as well as Treinen. Kimbrel comes under addition by subtraction

GoldenRam wrote: ↑October 26th, 2022, 8:17 pm Betts to 2B .. Judge plays RF then I would guess. That would Muncy in permanent DH/spotstarter 1B/2B/3B, unless they keep JT and don't have a better option for 3B. If they dump Belli .. now they need a CF.
PItching is going to be a flat out bitch without some sort of trade or a minor league pitching prospect paying off big. There just are *no* top pitchers on the market this offseason. Usually at 1 or 2 come up, not this time. Rodon is on the market, but I think SF keeps him and not crazy about his WHIP. That's one thing Dodgers pitchers learn for the most part. They don't compound their problems with a lot of walks.
Kersh and Urias were both a .96 and there were *8* pitchers on the team lower. Which I guess is a good reason you win 110 regular season games

GoldenRam wrote: ↑October 25th, 2022, 6:36 pm True .. but expecting much of anything in the bigs from a player that low in the minors just isn't a great idea. The odd player now and then does it, but it ruins a lot of careers before they get started. It's also not about hitting, though that would be a good sized part of it, or even if he's a good defensive catcher. The biggest things are calling the game, for which you have to know the pitchers strengths, the batters weaknesses, know when a certain pitch just isn't working, and have the respect of the pitcher enough so that he trusts your calls. If you're constantly shaking him off, it's going to create problems, especially if it's your ace. The other trick, and it's so important that Yasmani Grandal still has a career in MLB. Framing pitches well enough to get you that strike you want/need. Not going to get all of them, but good pitch framers get more than their fair share of calls in their favor. It's an art and you just don't pick that up in a couple of weeks/months. Some guys never get good at it. It's one of the reasons some pitchers have their "personal" catchers. Remember Steve Carlton would only pitch to McCarver iirc. Nobody else, unless Tim was injured and couldn't play. Kershaw has Barnes and I'm sure there are others. There is more "art" in catching than almost all other positions. Pitching obviously, but most positions are just what they are. Infield, you field ground balls, you make throws. There used to be some art in turning the double play with the "in the neighborhood" base tap to turn it, but now, you don't hit the bag, dude is safe. NOw there are some guys like OZ, who could make every play look like art, but that is just the Creator given physical and sometimes mental gifts that mere mortals don't possess. Outfield even more straight forward, ball gets through charge and get it in quickly. Fly ball, track it, catch/field it, get it in quickly. Some outfielders make an art out of climbing fences to make ridiculous catches others can't. but it's not the same.

I expect he'll get run in ST and probably promoted to AA. If he does well enough in AA, he could get a call.

Honestly, this is going to be a very interesting offseason for the Dodgers, and crucial to how long we can keep the wolves at bay.
Somehow snagging Judge would be staggering for us. Having that killer bat in the middle of the lineup.

Reason I think Mookie stays in right is his arm. That's the spot you put you best arm and other than Bellinger our guys don't have a lot of strong arms. The Matt Kemp/Andre Ethier dynamic allowed the Dodgers to play Kemp in center because Ethier's arm was almost or just as good so rather than losing anything they actually gained by having a stronger than normal arm in center.

I remember Ankiel in CF. I always rooted for the guy. I mean his brain went south on him and he was pretty much savaged out of baseball. made himself a halfway decent hitter and back to the bigs as an outfielder. Whatever he couldn't do on the mound he sure as hell *could* do out there. What a freakin arm that dude had