Bobby Wagner… overreaction.

[UplandRam]

I think like most diehard fans, I too tend to overreact when things like today’s announcement hits. Especially given the fact none of us were expecting it.
There is no doubt Wagner brought the wood and was a stud defending the run. But, truth be told, he was very average in coverage and does not have the speed to match up with TE’s and RB’s. Jones is better in coverage. There is a reason Seattle let him walk too. This is a pass first league…
While this could be a major hit on run the defense, after giving it some thought, I think many of us are overacting. Now, if they trade Ramsey, I would really begin to worry. For now, I think it’s wise to see how the entire offseason plays out before we assume we are “tanking”.
We have no idea what the Rams plans are, could sign a replacement… could make other moves…
If he’s the one who wanted out, then Rams did the right thing, really had no choice. For me, I only want players who WANT to be here and give 1000%.
I am going to chill a bit and withhold judgement until preseason hits. I will also remain loyal as hell. Not going to jump ship if we have a few down years. In fact, part of the fun with being a fan is to see a team rise up with some up and coming and sometimes unknown stars.
Bottom line… I don’t think we are nearly as doomed as many think. Gotta see how things play out…
I seriously doubt McVay came back to be a part of a rebuild.

Here’s a little perspective: https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2023/2/23 ... salary-cap

[RAMS 1974]

I concur.

At first I was shocked, then I after shock wore off, I figured Rams mgmt, MUST have a plan. So lets sit back & see what plays out.


ROLL RAMS !!

[therealheadslap75]

While I totally get your perspective, the Rams have proven they had a hard time filling that position, wags not only brings some good play but leadership that showed during a season that could have unraveled emotionally. Moving EJ into the Wags role is not an improvement and I fear replacing EJ will also be a step down

[UplandRam]

While I totally get your perspective, the Rams have proven they had a hard time filling that position, wags not only brings some good play but leadership that showed during a season that could have unraveled emotionally. Moving EJ into the Wags role is not an improvement and I fear replacing EJ will also be a step down

After sleeping on it, Wags kinda pisses me off. If he wanted out, then to me he is basically resigning or quitting. Yet, the Rams still have to pay him 7.5mil. Wish it was like to real world… you resign, you lose the paycheck.

[BrooklynRam74]

While I totally get your perspective, the Rams have proven they had a hard time filling that position, wags not only brings some good play but leadership that showed during a season that could have unraveled emotionally. Moving EJ into the Wags role is not an improvement and I fear replacing EJ will also be a step down

After sleeping on it, Wags kinda pisses me off. If he wanted out, then to me he is basically resigning or quitting. Yet, the Rams still have to pay him 7.5mil. Wish it was like to real world… you resign, you lose the paycheck.

I bet he was told a sort of rebuild was coming.

Does that mean he was told they're planning on cutting Floyd and trading Ramsey??? Does it stop there or go deeper to include players like Donald, Kupp and Stafford??? We shall see....

[ocram23]

After sleeping on it, Wags kinda pisses me off. If he wanted out, then to me he is basically resigning or quitting. Yet, the Rams still have to pay him 7.5mil. Wish it was like to real world… you resign, you lose the paycheck.

I bet he was told a sort of rebuild was coming.

Does that mean he was told they're planning on cutting Floyd and trading Ramsey??? Does it stop there or go deeper to include players like Donald, Kupp and Stafford??? We shall see....

JR and Floyd will be gone no doubt. I find it interesting that Stafford's name has been brought up but I think that is just TV hacks trying to create something that isn't there. AD and Kupp aren't going anywhere.

[ocram23]

While I totally get your perspective, the Rams have proven they had a hard time filling that position, wags not only brings some good play but leadership that showed during a season that could have unraveled emotionally. Moving EJ into the Wags role is not an improvement and I fear replacing EJ will also be a step down

After sleeping on it, Wags kinda pisses me off. If he wanted out, then to me he is basically resigning or quitting. Yet, the Rams still have to pay him 7.5mil. Wish it was like to real world… you resign, you lose the paycheck.

this is quite common for team and player to part ways. I am just surprised that they agreed to do this with Wagner. I am not pissed at him at all. Who knows who initiated the first talks. I would not be surprised if it was the Rams.

[Raminec]

I think like most diehard fans, I too tend to overreact when things like today’s announcement hits. Especially given the fact none of us were expecting it.
There is no doubt Wagner brought the wood and was a stud defending the run. But, truth be told, he was very average in coverage and does not have the speed to match up with TE’s and RB’s. Jones has better in coverage. There is a reason Seattle let him walk too. This is a pass first league…
While this could be a major hit on run the defense, after giving it some thought, I think many of us are overacting. Now, if they trade Ramsey, I would really begin to worry. For now, I think it’s wise to see how the entire offseason plays out before we assume we are “tanking”.
We have no idea what the Rams plans are, could sign a replacement… could make other moves…
If he’s the one who wanted out, then Rams did the right thing, really had no choice. For me, I only want players who WANT to be here and give 1000%.
I am going to chill a bit and withhold judgement until preseason hits. I will also remain loyal as hell. Not going to jump ship if we have a few down years. In fact, part of the fun with being a fan is to see a team rise up with some up and coming and sometimes unknown stars.
Bottom line… I don’t think we are nearly as doomed as many think. Gotta see how things play out…
I seriously doubt McVay came back to be a part of a rebuild.

Here’s a little perspective: https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2023/2/23 ... salary-cap

It seemed like the move was a result of a mutual decision. Wagner was definitely strong against the run but has lost a step and was vulnerable in coverage. The Rams played off coverage with their corners and safeties which forced teams to throw the ball underneath where the linebackers are key to coverage. Wagner wasn’t at fault for everything in the passing game obviously but he was limited in coverage. I think the Rams were looking at maybe limiting his snaps on passing downs and possibly a restructured contract and Wagner wanted to be an every down player. I’m a big fan of Bobby Wagner and loved the passion he played with along with the consistency but he did appear to have lost his elite speed that made him so special in his prime. He still made lots of plays but they were usually further downfield. As for the dead money it was a product of cap structure that kept his hit so low in 2022 so essentially it was money owed for last season. I think the Rams were looking at a one year deal all along.

[GoldenRam]

I bet he was told a sort of rebuild was coming.

Does that mean he was told they're planning on cutting Floyd and trading Ramsey??? Does it stop there or go deeper to include players like Donald, Kupp and Stafford??? We shall see....

JR and Floyd will be gone no doubt. I find it interesting that Stafford's name has been brought up but I think that is just TV hacks trying to create something that isn't there. AD and Kupp aren't going anywhere.

Wags, Floyd and JR out of the defense, essentially leaves *no* defense. Not going to replace all three with that cap space, at least not at equal levels. Those are 3 significant holes to fill, and going off past experience, first thing they'll do is go after another receiver or running back.

[ocram23]

JR and Floyd will be gone no doubt. I find it interesting that Stafford's name has been brought up but I think that is just TV hacks trying to create something that isn't there. AD and Kupp aren't going anywhere.

Wags, Floyd and JR out of the defense, essentially leaves *no* defense. Not going to replace all three with that cap space, at least not at equal levels. Those are 3 significant holes to fill, and going off past experience, first thing they'll do is go after another receiver or running back.

no way in hell is Floyd on this team come spring. JR maybe and that is only because he couldn't be traded. they are in cap hell and the FO obviously is thinking this is the only way out

[therealheadslap75]

Unless I’m wrong
Cutting Wagner saved 5 million
Cutting Floyd saves us 3 million
Cutting Ramsey costs us over 10 million

So if they do these three we gutted the defense and we didn’t save any money vs the cap, why this year? I’m not a capologist but from my limited view it doesn’t seem to make sense

[Hacksaw]

Wish it was like to real world… you resign, you lose the paycheck.

As it should be. These owners have let go of the tigers tail.

[Jacksnow]

If Wagner does not get picked up could the Rams re-sign him and negotiate contract?

[UplandRam]

If Wagner does not get picked up could the Rams re-sign him and negotiate contract?

If he doesn't want to be a Ram, why would we do that?

[Cornell29]

Jones moves to his natural position

https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/news/los-an ... -offseason

[Jacksnow]

To stay out of USFL.

[Idaho_Ram]

I don't know guys, maybe I'm just becoming more of a realist (pessimist?)...but how good was the defense WITH all of those guys last year? I get it, we were serviceable and the offense failed mightily to have their back, but at some point you have to pay the piper with contracts we are carrying. Wags will be missed but is not the franchise MLB he once was. Floyd had a nice (and predictable) run of success playing with 99, but like Fowler, he can be replaced. Ramsey, frankly, I'm tired of. Tired of the massive ego and the distraction.

Every year there are units that are supposed suck on paper and end up overachieving. I feel like we were the opposite last year. If you don't wanna be here - get out. Let's see what the next chapter brings.

[Cornell29]

Wagner back to Seattle... Wouldn't be surprised.

[Cornell29]

Per Lineups.com, Bobby Wagner played 1080 defensive snaps for the LA Rams, while Ernest Jones played just 723. The difference was simply the occasions when the Rams pulled Ernest Jones in order to add an additional defensive back in either the nickel or dime sub-packages. So if you look at Ernest Jones 113 tackles on 723 defensive snaps, had he played for 1080 defensive snaps, he was on pace to record 170 tackles. That's huge, and perhaps leads to understanding why the Rams were willing to part ways with Wagner here and now.

https://ramblinfan.com/posts/here-are-3 ... 1km51wrj/2

[Cornell29]

The LA Rams found some success in running a nickel package, swapping out the second linebacker role, and inserting a defensive back who flourished in the box like Nick Scott or Taylor Rapp. But along the way, the team cross-trained safety Jake Gervase as an inside linebacker. Now, that investment may pay off as the Rams could roll Gervase in next to Ernest Jones on passing downs. That could pay off in much stronger pass coverage on crossing routes.

[Hacksaw]

Per Lineups.com, Bobby Wagner played 1080 defensive snaps for the LA Rams, while Ernest Jones played just 723.
So if you look at Ernest Jones 113 tackles on 723 defensive snaps, had he played for 1080 defensive snaps, he was on pace to record 170 tackles.
https://ramblinfan.com/posts/here-are-3 ... 1km51wrj/2

Wags had 140 tackles in those 1080 snaps so by comparison Jones' play may have made BW expendable.

But it's the 'I want to win' comment that chaps my hide. Makes me wonder if he knows something we don't.

[ocram23]

Per Lineups.com, Bobby Wagner played 1080 defensive snaps for the LA Rams, while Ernest Jones played just 723.
So if you look at Ernest Jones 113 tackles on 723 defensive snaps, had he played for 1080 defensive snaps, he was on pace to record 170 tackles.
https://ramblinfan.com/posts/here-are-3 ... 1km51wrj/2

Wags had 140 tackles in those 1080 snaps so by comparison Jones' play may have made BW expendable.

But it's the 'I want to win' comment that chaps my hide. Makes me wonder if he knows something we don't.

he went up against the offense every day. maybe he realizes just how bad this OL really is

[Guest]

Per Lineups.com, Bobby Wagner played 1080 defensive snaps for the LA Rams, while Ernest Jones played just 723.
So if you look at Ernest Jones 113 tackles on 723 defensive snaps, had he played for 1080 defensive snaps, he was on pace to record 170 tackles.
https://ramblinfan.com/posts/here-are-3 ... 1km51wrj/2

Wags had 140 tackles in those 1080 snaps so by comparison Jones' play may have made BW expendable.

But it's the 'I want to win' comment that chaps my hide. Makes me wonder if he knows something we don't.

He knows exactly what we know. That Morris is coming back.

[Hacksaw]

I didn't blame Wagners departure on Morris' retention. That was a quote fail by 'guest'. I'm not a fan of the soft zone but I don't think the players would leave because of it/him. They seem to really like the guy.

[ocram23]

this guy was your best defensive player last year and now he is gone. I do not think this is an overreaction. JMHO

[bigklein]

It is a big deal, but the players listed by ramblinfan might step up. It’s interesting that Travis Howard isn’t mentioned. Is he ever going to be healthy?

Maybe they’ll try Hoecht at edge and ILB this year