Is Stafford road blocking us?

[DelMar]

So, was listening to the Herd this morning and Colin said he has sources that told him that Stafford is unwilling to renegotiate his current contract and the Rams are not happy with him.

Im all for keeping the deal you signed for. Just like with Ramsey, apparently he wants more money now even w 3 years left on his contract... so, screw Ramsey if that's the case. Right?

Well, same with Stafford EXCEPT he is keeping to his current contract, but now the Rams want to redo it to free up more cap space. So screw the Rams?

What do you think? If we can free up more cap space and give Stafford the same amount in other ways... what gives?

So wonder whats really going on here though... If Stafford will get the same money regardless, why is he not willing to redo the contract? Devil is in the details, but IF Stafford is not willing to do a new deal even w same money in the long run... What gives? Any ideas?

Hmmmmmm. Im stumped.

[Ramsfan08ny]

In no smarter than you. If true, and Stafford, who has already made well over 100 mil, is unwilling to renegotiate to free up cap, is a surprise to me. Seems that MS has always been a team friendly kind of guy. May be we don't know whole story. If it were true, we should be reading about it.

[BrooklynRam74]

Maybe this is why Orlovsky threw Stafford's name out when discussing possible Jets Quarterback options???

[UplandRam]

Blame the woman : ) - LOL

[NorCal RF]

These players should be under no obligation to redo their salary to free up $ for a team. Would it be nice at times? Sure. But they are not the bad guy if they say no and are not just because someone else elsewhere did. Team/FO should know/assume that the yearly salary cap hit on these huge contracts is what it is going to be or they should not do them period.

Wanting more $ while still under contract is an entirely different subject.

If true in regards to Stafford and Rams are upset at him then I would suggest they look at that ring from 2 seasons ago. Or take accountability on why they offered him the contract that they did knowing full well what it meant to the cap moving forward at his age.

[Cornell29]

I have and will continue to look but Colin is the only one in the media who has mentioned this story. I can't find a hint of anything close to this story elsewhere.

[GoldenRam]

I believe he already did so once .. and true he has made a ton of money, but what has he *done* with all that money? Could be just a simple case of his *needing* the money to stay as is in order to ensure his nut is paid every month.

Could also be that given his latest injury, discussions between himself his wife and perhaps extended family have boiled down to safer not to change the status quo.

This, of course, is only speculation on my part and only as a response to an unproven statement by an online personality who may have an in, or may have a need to up his audience numbers

[Raminec]

Usually when a team restructures it just moves the way the money is paid out from salary to a bonus. The player gets more money now up front and the cap hit is lowered for the season and pushed into future years. So it’s not a money reduction but rather just an adjustment to how the money is paid out. If it was a cut in pay I could understand his reluctance but if it’s just cap movement to free up money and help the team improve in his final years with the Rams I don’t understand why he wouldn’t be on board. Then again I don’t put any stock in what Cowherd or any of the talking heads put out there for clicks at this time of year. Lots of smoke no fire.

[ram_attack]

These players should be under no obligation to redo their salary to free up $ for a team. Would it be nice at times? Sure. But they are not the bad guy if they say no and are not just because someone else elsewhere did. Team/FO should know/assume that the yearly salary cap hit on these huge contracts is what it is going to be or they should not do them period.

Wanting more $ while still under contract is an entirely different subject.

If true in regards to Stafford and Rams are upset at him then I would suggest they look at that ring from 2 seasons ago. Or take accountability on why they offered him the contract that they did knowing full well what it meant to the cap moving forward at his age.

TY!!!! Perfectly stated!!!! SO many fans are so quick to jump on anything they hear in passing and to me, wow, give the player in question the benefit of the doubt before you jump the gun. AND, as you said............. yes, maybe in the past other players HAVE redone their contracts to help out the organization, but in the end, this isn't on the player. this is on the organization knowing what numbers were what with the original contract. So thank you for a very well worded post that I could not agree more with!

[therealheadslap75]

Usually when a team restructures it just moves the way the money is paid out from salary to a bonus. The player gets more money now up front and the cap hit is lowered for the season and pushed into future years. So it’s not a money reduction but rather just an adjustment to how the money is paid out. If it was a cut in pay I could understand his reluctance but if it’s just cap movement to free up money and help the team improve in his final years with the Rams I don’t understand why he wouldn’t be on board. Then again I don’t put any stock in what Cowherd or any of the talking heads put out there for clicks at this time of year. Lots of smoke no fire.

Exactly, if this is the case of Stafford, not wanting to convert his base salary into bonus, then that’s a huge problem for me. If the Rams are asking him for a pay cut, I can understand and totally agree with his alleged position.

[DelMar]

These players should be under no obligation to redo their salary to free up $ for a team. Would it be nice at times? Sure. But they are not the bad guy if they say no and are not just because someone else elsewhere did. Team/FO should know/assume that the yearly salary cap hit on these huge contracts is what it is going to be or they should not do them period.

Wanting more $ while still under contract is an entirely different subject.

If true in regards to Stafford and Rams are upset at him then I would suggest they look at that ring from 2 seasons ago. Or take accountability on why they offered him the contract that they did knowing full well what it meant to the cap moving forward at his age.

TY!!!! Perfectly stated!!!! SO many fans are so quick to jump on anything they hear in passing and to me, wow, give the player in question the benefit of the doubt before you jump the gun. AND, as you said............. yes, maybe in the past other players HAVE redone their contracts to help out the organization, but in the end, this isn't on the player. this is on the organization knowing what numbers were what with the original contract. So thank you for a very well worded post that I could not agree more with!

Quick note here, I never jumped on Stafford. I was just trying to figure out if this is true, why or why not he wouldn’t redo the contract.

In no part of my text did I blame either party. I just was trying to figure out what’s going on. My point has always been, abide by your contracts you write and them who sign them.

Im not pointing the finger at either party.

Colin has been pretty right on about his sources many times, so I’m going to go with this could be true, but… and this is a huge but… we don’t know the why or how IF true.

This is a forum, a place made for discussions such as this.

Right?

[ram_attack]

TY!!!! Perfectly stated!!!! SO many fans are so quick to jump on anything they hear in passing and to me, wow, give the player in question the benefit of the doubt before you jump the gun. AND, as you said............. yes, maybe in the past other players HAVE redone their contracts to help out the organization, but in the end, this isn't on the player. this is on the organization knowing what numbers were what with the original contract. So thank you for a very well worded post that I could not agree more with!

Quick note here, I never jumped on Stafford. I was just trying to figure out if this is true, why or why not he wouldn’t redo the contract.

In no part of my text did I blame either party. I just was trying to figure out what’s going on. My point has always been, abide by your contracts you write and them who sign them.

Im not pointing the finger at either party.

Colin has been pretty right on about his sources many times, so I’m going to go with this could be true, but… and this is a huge but… we don’t know the why or how IF true.

This is a forum, a place made for discussions such as this.

Right?

you're absolutely right DelMar, and after I had typed my quick response in agreement with the post, I had re-read it and my 1st thought was 'ugh...... I hope he (you) doesn't read into it like I am coming down on you. Nothing at all wrong with what you typed. My 1st inclination was to come to Stafford's defense only becasue I look at Stafford and have nothing but respect for this guy and all the years he toiled in Detroit. I apologize if this came across like me singling you out on this. Really wasn't my intent to do so.

[ocram23]

Rams won the SB ring which is why they brought Stafford in. Unfortunately I do not think he is going to add anymore value the rest of his time with the Rams. I think his elbow if F'ed up and just do not get a good feeling about him moving forward. I hope I am wrong and I don't hold anything against him for not wanting to restructure.

[Slickjack]

Didn’t Stafford take considerably less than market value when he resigned?

[duane313]

Stafford won't redo the deal because he saw what happened to Megatron in Detroit. In 2012, after breaking Jerry Rice's single season receiving record, Calvin redid his deal that was only a year old, converting much of his salary to bonus. Salary that was otherwise guaranteed just by being on the roster. One year later, the whole front office got swept. The year after that Calvin retired, and the new GM, having no prior connection with him wanted that bonus money back. Again, this was money that would NOT have been subject to reclaiming if he had not redone the deal 2 years prior.

Put even more plainly, if Stafford's gonna get 15M in salary free and clear just for walking in the building on June 1st, why would he instead take an advance of 15M, only to have to give back 10M if he decides to retire at the end of the season. Better to just be on the roster the whole season and put the whole 15M in his pocket, right?

[ocram23]

Stafford won't redo the deal because he saw what happened to Megatron in Detroit. In 2012, after breaking Jerry Rice's single season receiving record, Calvin redid his deal that was only a year old, converting much of his salary to bonus. Salary that was otherwise guaranteed just by being on the roster. One year later, the whole front office got swept. The year after that Calvin retired, and the new GM, having no prior connection with him wanted that bonus money back. Again, this was money that would NOT have been subject to reclaiming if he had not redone the deal 2 years prior.

Put even more plainly, if Stafford's gonna get 15M in salary free and clear just for walking in the building on June 1st, why would he instead take an advance of 15M, only to have to give back 10M if he decides to retire at the end of the season. Better to just be on the roster the whole season and put the whole 15M in his pocket, right?

his dead cap hit next year is $49.5M, his cap hit next year is $20M. He still has $72M remaining on his contract. He isn't going anywhere

[wildram01]

Stafford is only making $1.5 million in salary for 2023 and only has a $20 million cap hit. WTF is he supposed to restructure? It's his 2024 cap hit that is an issue.

[DelMar]

With these retirement rumors flowing more by the day from Stafford... Im starting to think there is some fire w this smoke. Hearing a lot down here in So Cal that Kelly is pushing him to retire.

[ocram23]

With these retirement rumors flowing more by the day from Stafford... Im starting to think there is some fire w this smoke. Hearing a lot down here in So Cal that Kelly is pushing him to retire.

while that doesn't surprise me there is still a lot of money on the table. maybe he comes back and gives it a try for 1 more year???

[Cornell29]

Speaking of Colin

[HellRam]

Speaking of Colin

Looks about right! Stafford needs to bounce back this year though for him to be considered where he is at though. And the Goff being a future back up talk is in the rear view mirror. Hurts I'm unsure how good he is considering how loaded Philly is. But he balled out last year so I'm good with him at 2 for the time being.

[ocram23]

Speaking of Colin

Looks about right! Stafford needs to bounce back this year though for him to be considered where he is at though. And the Goff being a future back up talk is in the rear view mirror. Hurts I'm unsure how good he is considering how loaded Philly is. But he balled out last year so I'm good with him at 2 for the time being.

sorry but Stafford's ship has sailed. I am taking Hurts over MS all day long. He showed in the SB and all season how good he is.

[HellRam]

Looks about right! Stafford needs to bounce back this year though for him to be considered where he is at though. And the Goff being a future back up talk is in the rear view mirror. Hurts I'm unsure how good he is considering how loaded Philly is. But he balled out last year so I'm good with him at 2 for the time being.

sorry but Stafford's ship has sailed. I am taking Hurts over MS all day long. He showed in the SB and all season how good he is.

Yeah but behind a insanely good oline, insanely good receivers, very good RBs and a very good TE.

I'm not knocking Hurts. He did what he needed to do. I'm just not sold he'd look like that great on a average NFL team. That Philly team has the best roster in the league. There's no weakness, especially on offense.

[Cornell29]

sorry but Stafford's ship has sailed. I am taking Hurts over MS all day long. He showed in the SB and all season how good he is.

Yeah but behind a insanely good oline, insanely good receivers, very good RBs and a very good TE.

I'm not knocking Hurts. He did what he needed to do. I'm just not sold he'd look like that great on a average NFL team. That Philly team has the best roster in the league. There's no weakness, especially on offense.

Eagles offense was loaded

One of the best wr tandem in the nfl
Top 5 TE
Top 3 OL
Solid rb group.

Kudos for Hurts, he was outstanding last year but Stafford would have shined on the Eagles too

[ocram23]

sorry but Stafford's ship has sailed. I am taking Hurts over MS all day long. He showed in the SB and all season how good he is.

Yeah but behind a insanely good oline, insanely good receivers, very good RBs and a very good TE.

I'm not knocking Hurts. He did what he needed to do. I'm just not sold he'd look like that great on a average NFL team. That Philly team has the best roster in the league. There's no weakness, especially on offense.

All we can do right now IMO is judge these guys on the teams they play on and right now Hurts is a better QB IMO

[BrooklynRam74]

Yeah but behind a insanely good oline, insanely good receivers, very good RBs and a very good TE.

I'm not knocking Hurts. He did what he needed to do. I'm just not sold he'd look like that great on a average NFL team. That Philly team has the best roster in the league. There's no weakness, especially on offense.

All we can do right now IMO is judge these guys on the teams they play on and right now Hurts is a better QB IMO

For what its worth, in my personal current QB rankings which does not include Tom Brady, I have Hurts 4th Stafford 8th.

[ocram23]

All we can do right now IMO is judge these guys on the teams they play on and right now Hurts is a better QB IMO

For what its worth, in my personal current QB rankings which does not include Tom Brady, I have Hurts 4th Stafford 8th.

Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Rodgers, Hurts, Lawrence....my top 7

[BrooklynRam74]

For what its worth, in my personal current QB rankings which does not include Tom Brady, I have Hurts 4th Stafford 8th.

Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Rodgers, Hurts, Lawrence....my top 7

I still have Lawrence 9th, Lamar 7th. But it remains fluid, subject to change as always.