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Our team have a ton of young players that were drafted and now it's there time. Let the process begin. Did anyone know who Nick Scott or Greg Gaines were...or even Matt Gay before they got here and were developed?? HELL NO!!

So look at it this way, let the young blood come to the table and show what they can do. High priced free agents rarely come up big. We have 11 draft picks this year and with a few trades, they will probably have 13 or so plus the UDFA class. Also keep in mind, do you guys know what kind of draft compensation the Rams will have next season with all these players leaving??...On top of that, in 2024 the Rams will have close to $65 - $68 million dollars in cap space and that even before the salary cap increase in 2024.

I say you guys calm the hell down and let's look at our young talent that have yet to play. This is a normal cycle guys, the Rams paid the piper to win that Superbowl and this is what has to happen. We will weather this storm and our cap space to get other players will come in time, but let's not act like these changes weren't going to happen. We still have some excellent core players and a good coaching staff and GM. Let's let this play out and give our young unknown players a chance to shine.


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unclesams wrote: March 18th, 2023, 4:23 pm Our team have a ton of young players that were drafted and now it's there time. Let the process begin. Did anyone know who Nick Scott or Greg Gaines were...or even Matt Gay before they got here and were developed?? HELL NO!!

So look at it this way, let the young blood come to the table and show what they can do. High priced free agents rarely come up big. We have 11 draft picks this year and with a few trades, they will probably have 13 or so plus the UDFA class. Also keep in mind, do you guys know what kind of draft compensation the Rams will have next season with all these players leaving??...On top of that, in 2024 the Rams will have close to $65 - $68 million dollars in cap space and that even before the salary cap increase in 2024.

I say you guys calm the hell down and let's look at our young talent that have yet to play. This is a normal cycle guys, the Rams paid the piper to win that Superbowl and this is what has to happen. We will weather this storm and our cap space to get other players will come in time, but let's not act like these changes weren't going to happen. We still have some excellent core players and a good coaching staff and GM. Let's let this play out and give our young unknown players a chance to shine.
I think the majority of us understand this was going to happen. But I would love to hear about all this young talent you speak of. I think that is my major concern the lack of talent that is on this team.


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We have Jacob Harris and Bryce Hopkins and lance McCatch that barely played. We have some young guys on defense. Not to mention guys on our practice squad that could possibly get a shot for 2023 and beyond. I thought about this earlier. And honestly, we're not in that bad of a position in terms of young talent. You just gotta play that talent, use em correctly and develop them. I looked at the possible defensive lineup and that's before the draft, and it's pretty ok. ALOT of them had a year under their belt and they can only grow from here. Not to mention players that went undrafted that could possibly get a shot also. If we do it right, we can find several starters and role players in this draft. They just have to do it right.


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There are a few if’s there, Felix, but I agree that there are some guys with potential who got some real experience last year due to injuries. Hopefully the new coaches will be able to build on that.


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bigklein wrote: March 18th, 2023, 5:44 pm There are a few if’s there, Felix, but I agree that there are some guys with potential who got some real experience last year due to injuries. Hopefully the new coaches will be able to build on that.
Maybe it's just me, but the one guy I'm hopeful about is Bobby brown III. And maaaaybe earnest Jones and Daniel Hardy. I don't think we're gonna be as bad as some people think we are on defense. we got some pretty hungry guys. I rather have guys that can sack the QB than shut down the pass anyday. Not saying shutting down the pass is a bad thing tho. Kendrick could be decent if used right. The guy balled his ass off with Georgia and he's younger and less expensive than Jalen Ramsey. I think we can field a solid defense this year if they change the scheme. I understand why they used it because of all the damn injuries everywhere.


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unclesams wrote: March 18th, 2023, 4:23 pm Our team have a ton of young players that were drafted and now it's there time. Let the process begin. Did anyone know who Nick Scott or Greg Gaines were...or even Matt Gay before they got here and were developed?? HELL NO!!

So look at it this way, let the young blood come to the table and show what they can do. High priced free agents rarely come up big. We have 11 draft picks this year and with a few trades, they will probably have 13 or so plus the UDFA class. Also keep in mind, do you guys know what kind of draft compensation the Rams will have next season with all these players leaving??...On top of that, in 2024 the Rams will have close to $65 - $68 million dollars in cap space and that even before the salary cap increase in 2024.

I say you guys calm the hell down and let's look at our young talent that have yet to play. This is a normal cycle guys, the Rams paid the piper to win that Superbowl and this is what has to happen. We will weather this storm and our cap space to get other players will come in time, but let's not act like these changes weren't going to happen. We still have some excellent core players and a good coaching staff and GM. Let's let this play out and give our young unknown players a chance to shine.
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I’m curious about Murchison.


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FelixTheStonerCat wrote: March 18th, 2023, 5:13 pm We have Jacob Harris and Bryce Hopkins and lance McCatch that barely played. We have some young guys on defense. Not to mention guys on our practice squad that could possibly get a shot for 2023 and beyond. I thought about this earlier. And honestly, we're not in that bad of a position in terms of young talent. You just gotta play that talent, use em correctly and develop them. I looked at the possible defensive lineup and that's before the draft, and it's pretty ok. ALOT of them had a year under their belt and they can only grow from here. Not to mention players that went undrafted that could possibly get a shot also. If we do it right, we can find several starters and role players in this draft. They just have to do it right.

We currently have no practice squad, and won't until after the draft. Anyone who was on it is either on the current roster or gone, and there wasn't all that much on it.4 or 5 were let go with no recall. The Rams don't seem to actually develop anyone on the PS.

I don't know that we have all that much young talent. Next season will certainly shake out some wheat/chaff


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Get serious. Most low drafted players, cut FAs or UDFAs are where they are for a reason. There are so few Tom Brady's, or Tyreek Hills it's a needle in a haystack. You can't coach up marginal players to think they will carry the team it is simply unrealistic. Most of our starters were drafted or acquired as 1st - 4th rounders. Go down the line and 90% of our starters came from those 4 rounds. Every team fills in with a later round guy because they have to but that is far from the norm.


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malibu wrote: March 18th, 2023, 11:20 pm Get serious. Most low drafted players, cut FAs or UDFAs are where they are for a reason. There are so few Tom Brady's, or Tyreek Hills it's a needle in a haystack. You can't coach up marginal players to think they will carry the team it is simply unrealistic. Most of our starters were drafted or acquired as 1st - 4th rounders. Go down the line and 90% of our starters came from those 4 rounds. Every team fills in with a later round guy because they have to but that is far from the norm.
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Posters on thos board need to take the rose colored glasses off - 8 starters on defense maybe gone 6 already and Rapp/AShawn are talking to other teams.

Our ST is decimated our probowl kicker is gone, LS gone who knows on the Punter and returner? That could be the entire unit. I know we will find other options but replacing this many players can never be good and we will not hit on everyone like we did with Gay/Powell.

We have Robinson possibly out the door and a BIG question mark at 3 of the 5 OL positions. As I've come to realize Whit was a big big loss.

Sure we will get some more players from the draft but we currently as I understand that we have only 10m in cap space not sure I understand because if we lose Gaines, AShawn, Hill, Long, Edwards where is there money to help us out it feels like we got 7 expensive players Big Rob, AD, Kupp, Stafford, Noteboom, Robinson and Higby and the cap went up 17m where is all our money everyone else minus Shelton is on their rookie deal or UDFA even with 50m+ in dead cap I don't get it.


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malibu wrote: March 19th, 2023, 3:53 pm Posters on thos board need to take the rose colored glasses off - 8 starters on defense maybe gone 6 already and Rapp/AShawn are talking to other teams.

Our ST is decimated our probowl kicker is gone, LS gone who knows on the Punter and returner? That could be the entire unit. I know we will find other options but replacing this many players can never be good and we will not hit on everyone like we did with Gay/Powell.

We have Robinson possibly out the door and a BIG question mark at 3 of the 5 OL positions. As I've come to realize Whit was a big big loss.

Sure we will get some more players from the draft but we currently as I understand that we have only 10m in cap space not sure I understand because if we lose Gaines, AShawn, Hill, Long, Edwards where is there money to help us out it feels like we got 7 expensive players Big Rob, AD, Kupp, Stafford, Noteboom, Robinson and Higby and the cap went up 17m where is all our money everyone else minus Shelton is on their rookie deal or UDFA even with 50m+ in dead cap I don't get it.
but come on Malibu everyone in here thinks the Easter Bunny is coming on Sunday and thinks that late round draft picks and Undrafted FA'a are going to come in and turn this defense around. It's a F'n joke


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I think we have the makings of a decent defensive line. There are some pieces in the secondary between Kendrick, Durant, Yeast, Lake and Fuller. It's the LB's that have me the most worried. Jones is solid and Hoecht was a nice story late in the season, but outside of that I don't think there is another player who would be a lock to make an NFL roster, let alone be a starter on any other team.

In theory the offense should be better with better health, but the OL wasn't going to be good last year, even w/out the injuries, and it looks like we are going to run out some combination of the exact same guys. Hard for me to be super optimistic, all things considered.


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ocram23 wrote: March 19th, 2023, 5:07 pm
malibu wrote: March 19th, 2023, 3:53 pm Posters on thos board need to take the rose colored glasses off - 8 starters on defense maybe gone 6 already and Rapp/AShawn are talking to other teams.

Our ST is decimated our probowl kicker is gone, LS gone who knows on the Punter and returner? That could be the entire unit. I know we will find other options but replacing this many players can never be good and we will not hit on everyone like we did with Gay/Powell.

We have Robinson possibly out the door and a BIG question mark at 3 of the 5 OL positions. As I've come to realize Whit was a big big loss.

Sure we will get some more players from the draft but we currently as I understand that we have only 10m in cap space not sure I understand because if we lose Gaines, AShawn, Hill, Long, Edwards where is there money to help us out it feels like we got 7 expensive players Big Rob, AD, Kupp, Stafford, Noteboom, Robinson and Higby and the cap went up 17m where is all our money everyone else minus Shelton is on their rookie deal or UDFA even with 50m+ in dead cap I don't get it.
but come on Malibu everyone in here thinks the Easter Bunny is coming on Sunday and thinks that late round draft picks and Undrafted FA'a are going to come in and turn this defense around. It's a F'n joke
Some think that the Easter Bunny is coming and some think that the sky is falling. Hey Chicken Little 😂.


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I'm not sure I get all this talk about "young players" as something to look forward to.

Name 6 guys that can actually be viewed as "promising". Both rookie DBs were pretty average in coverage, despite a few picks. Aside from Bruss - who didn't really shine in camp like they were hoping - who else is compelling on OL OR DL??? Maybe McCutcheon.

Sorry, not trying to be negative, but I see the cupboard as pretty bare, as this point.


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What choice do the Rams have? The reality is the Rams have 10-11 mil left in cap space and still don’t have the players to even fill the required roster. We knew this was coming so I am not shocked. For me personally, I am looking forward to seeing what we can do with the young guys. Yes, it may be painful, but players don’t get better sitting on the bench. We are setting ourselves up for a nice 2024 with the draft choices and cap space. Plus, this season, I am sure we are going to find a handful of players who can make solid additions for the next several years. I am tired of grabbing FA’s who stick around for a few years and take huge sums of money. That’s how we got into this situation. Time for a different, more long term vision.


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Raminec wrote: March 19th, 2023, 6:42 pm
ocram23 wrote: March 19th, 2023, 5:07 pm

but come on Malibu everyone in here thinks the Easter Bunny is coming on Sunday and thinks that late round draft picks and Undrafted FA'a are going to come in and turn this defense around. It's a F'n joke
Some think that the Easter Bunny is coming and some think that the sky is falling. Hey Chicken Little 😂.
bottom line is they have way too many young unproven players for anyone to think they are going to be able to play at the level this defense did last year.


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FelixTheStonerCat wrote: March 18th, 2023, 5:13 pm
I thought about this earlier. And honestly, we're not in that bad of a position in terms of young talent. You just gotta play that talent, use em correctly and develop them. I looked at the possible defensive lineup and that's before the draft, and it's pretty ok. ALOT of them had a year under their belt and they can only grow from here. Not to mention players that went undrafted that could possibly get a shot also. If we do it right, we can find several starters and role players in this draft. They just have to do it right.
You're being overwhelmingly optimistic in your analysis of our team's available playing personnel, I'm figuring... :( :? :roll:

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UplandRam wrote: March 19th, 2023, 8:26 pm What choice do the Rams have? The reality is the Rams have 10-11 mil left in cap space and still don’t have the players to even fill the required roster. We knew this was coming so I am not shocked. For me personally, I am looking forward to seeing what we can do with the young guys. Yes, it may be painful, but players don’t get better sitting on the bench. We are setting ourselves up for a nice 2024 with the draft choices and cap space. Plus, this season, I am sure we are going to find a handful of players who can make solid additions for the next several years. I am tired of grabbing FA’s who stick around for a few years and take huge sums of money. That’s how we got into this situation. Time for a different, more long term vision.
Brazil stated it perfectly in another thread why did we have to make this decision if we were 2 OLmen and an OLB with 10 draft picks etc? I added onto his thread we were trying to trade for CMC or Burns at the midway point so at that moment in time the management wasn't planning on blowing anything up so what changed? I say this because at the midway point we were not in a solid position our OL was decimated and Robinson and Akers were not clicking our defense was marginal but they believed in something. As another rightly point out I am so glad we didn't get Burns and especially CMC that would have been a huge disaster going forward for the team.

We a know our fate it has been chosen for us after Snead cleared the decks and a full tear down yes tear down and rebuild is in progress. It just scares me these knee jerk reactions they don't feel like good business decisions like I keep pointing out the Goff resigning after year 3. He was going nowhere why resign him if you had doubts? He had a full year #4 to play and we could have waited through year 5 and franchised him at the lower number and had out cake and eaten it too year 6. Really poor business decision. Similar to the Ramsey trade who cares where JR wants to go send him to the highest bidder and extract the most capital out of him if we are moving him. Snead has a fiduciary duty to the team and Kroenke we don't need to be nice to a player. If we can't get what we believe keep him he will be an invaluable mentor to a young DB and Safety corps.


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