The HORRIBLE COACHING of Sean McVay | Rams @ Bengals (2023)

[BrooklynRam74]

[BrooklynRam74]

I'm afraid he's not progressing folks. The best years of Sean Mcvay's career may very well be his first 5.

[BrooklynRam74]

I'm afraid he's not progressing folks. The best years of Sean Mcvay's career may very well be his first 5.

Yep, and Stan PAID for a superstar roster for him. (Several times over)

[BrooklynRam74]

I'm afraid he's not progressing folks. The best years of Sean Mcvay's career may very well be his first 5.

Yep, and Stan PAID for a superstar roster for him. (Several times over)

He's Mike Martz with a (horrible) beard.

Yes, he has a Ring.

[brasilrams]

I'm afraid he's not progressing folks. The best years of Sean Mcvay's career may very well be his first 5.

100 % agree here . 3rd and 16 and he surrenders ALL the time , watch him run for 2 yards and punt , ALWAYS . even when the game is on the line and it is 4th and 5 , he punts . MCvay calls the game NOT to lose instead of winning .And you know players take on the HC mentality . Even if it is 4th and 1 in the middle of the field he never goes for it , like NEVER . 4th and ONE inside the 5 yard line ? KICK A FG !!!

He used to be an aggressive coach in his first 2 years , now he calls the game like a coward . He shows absolutely no faith in his offense .If you are playing for him and it is 4th and one and you ALWAYS have to give up and get out of the field for the ST unit to come in , what are you going to think ??? You are going to think the damn HC doesn't trust you can execute .

IT might be too early for me to call for his head , I will give him this season . We might even finish 5-12 but in those 12 losses I want to see better play calling , balanced play calling , aggressive mentality , better use of the Time outs , no more delay of game penalties because you didn't get the play in time , more 12 and 13 man formation , I want to see better use of the players we have ( rivers / evans / freeman are not even playing ) , I want to see him him helping an oline men that is struggling with a TE , I want to see him finally correcting his mistakes and progressing as a HC which I am not seeing and I also want to see them sending to the PS or even cutting players like thomas instead of having the patience of a budist like they had with bobby evans . So , ONE LAST SEASON to see all the improvement or else I will start ROOTING for him to get that booth job as soon as possible!

[DelMar]

I think the next two games will tell us about everything we need to know…

[malibu]

I'm afraid he's not progressing folks. The best years of Sean Mcvay's career may very well be his first 5.

100 % agree here . 3rd and 16 and he surrenders ALL the time , watch him run for 2 yards and punt , ALWAYS . even when the game is on the line and it is 4th and 5 , he punts . MCvay calls the game NOT to lose instead of winning .And you know players take on the HC mentality . Even if it is 4th and 1 in the middle of the field he never goes for it , like NEVER . 4th and ONE inside the 5 yard line ? KICK A FG !!!

He used to be an aggressive coach in his first 2 years , now he calls the game like a coward . He shows absolutely no faith in his offense .If you are playing for him and it is 4th and one and you ALWAYS have to give up and get out of the field for the ST unit to come in , what are you going to think ??? You are going to think the damn HC doesn't trust you can execute .

IT might be too early for me to call for his head , I will give him this season . We might even finish 5-12 but in those 12 losses I want to see better play calling , balanced play calling , aggressive mentality , better use of the Time outs , no more delay of game penalties because you didn't get the play in time , more 12 and 13 man formation , I want to see better use of the players we have ( rivers / evans / freeman are not even playing ) , I want to see him him helping an oline men that is struggling with a TE , I want to see him finally correcting his mistakes and progressing as a HC which I am not seeing and I also want to see them sending to the PS or even cutting players like thomas instead of having the patience of a budist like they had with bobby evans . So , ONE LAST SEASON to see all the improvement or else I will start ROOTING for him to get that booth job as soon as possible!

Stop over reacting. We all are pissed at McVay, but it wasn't only him it was LaFleur, OL Coord, Stafford was off last night so they all need some blame.

Like I said in other threads we got our hopes up with the Seattle win and how well we played SF so with an ailing Burrow and 0-2 record everyone came in with high hopes.

Many have said this is who we are and even before the season started said we will suck. Problem is we all want to win and used to winning under McVay. McVay is fine do I wish he didn't revert to play calling of the past and ran the ball, and didn't put Thomas in or at least gave him help sure I bet we all do but next year will be better just sit back and enjoy this season for what it is.

BTW I still think we are way better than I thought we would be and that has a lot to do with Nacau, Tutu, Young, Avila, Turner and the secondary not super sucking like I thought they would those are the reasons we look way better than expected. We are not blowing out teams Seattle was an outlier, we are going to need to scratch and claw to between 10 - 7 super optimistic down to 8 - 9 where we could land. Before 5he season started I was saying between 2 - 5 wins. The team is good if the OL holds up.

[brasilrams]

100 % agree here . 3rd and 16 and he surrenders ALL the time , watch him run for 2 yards and punt , ALWAYS . even when the game is on the line and it is 4th and 5 , he punts . MCvay calls the game NOT to lose instead of winning .And you know players take on the HC mentality . Even if it is 4th and 1 in the middle of the field he never goes for it , like NEVER . 4th and ONE inside the 5 yard line ? KICK A FG !!!

He used to be an aggressive coach in his first 2 years , now he calls the game like a coward . He shows absolutely no faith in his offense .If you are playing for him and it is 4th and one and you ALWAYS have to give up and get out of the field for the ST unit to come in , what are you going to think ??? You are going to think the damn HC doesn't trust you can execute .

IT might be too early for me to call for his head , I will give him this season . We might even finish 5-12 but in those 12 losses I want to see better play calling , balanced play calling , aggressive mentality , better use of the Time outs , no more delay of game penalties because you didn't get the play in time , more 12 and 13 man formation , I want to see better use of the players we have ( rivers / evans / freeman are not even playing ) , I want to see him him helping an oline men that is struggling with a TE , I want to see him finally correcting his mistakes and progressing as a HC which I am not seeing and I also want to see them sending to the PS or even cutting players like thomas instead of having the patience of a budist like they had with bobby evans . So , ONE LAST SEASON to see all the improvement or else I will start ROOTING for him to get that booth job as soon as possible!

Stop over reacting. We all are pissed at McVay, but it wasn't only him it was LaFleur, OL Coord, Stafford was off last night so they all need some blame.

Like I said in other threads we got our hopes up with the Seattle win and how well we played SF so with an ailing Burrow and 0-2 record everyone came in with high hopes.

Many have said this is who we are and even before the season started said we will suck. Problem is we all want to win and used to winning under McVay. McVay is fine do I wish he didn't revert to play calling of the past and ran the ball, and didn't put Thomas in or at least gave him help sure I bet we all do but next year will be better just sit back and enjoy this season for what it is.

BTW I still think we are way better than I thought we would be and that has a lot to do with Nacau, Tutu, Young, Avila, Turner and the secondary not super sucking like I thought they would those are the reasons we look way better than expected. We are not blowing out teams Seattle was an outlier, we are going to need to scratch and claw to between 10 - 7 super optimistic down to 8 - 9 where we could land. Before 5he season started I was saying between 2 - 5 wins. The team is good if the OL holds up.

Over reacting my ass . I am tired of mcvay's issues , fucking tired of it . What happened yesterday is NOT SUPPOSED to happen. We are not supposed to lose because our HC fucks the entire game in 300 different ways . this is not the damn nba where you have 100 games per season , we only have 17 . Every game counts .

[malibu]

Stop over reacting. We all are pissed at McVay, but it wasn't only him it was LaFleur, OL Coord, Stafford was off last night so they all need some blame.

Like I said in other threads we got our hopes up with the Seattle win and how well we played SF so with an ailing Burrow and 0-2 record everyone came in with high hopes.

Many have said this is who we are and even before the season started said we will suck. Problem is we all want to win and used to winning under McVay. McVay is fine do I wish he didn't revert to play calling of the past and ran the ball, and didn't put Thomas in or at least gave him help sure I bet we all do but next year will be better just sit back and enjoy this season for what it is.

BTW I still think we are way better than I thought we would be and that has a lot to do with Nacau, Tutu, Young, Avila, Turner and the secondary not super sucking like I thought they would those are the reasons we look way better than expected. We are not blowing out teams Seattle was an outlier, we are going to need to scratch and claw to between 10 - 7 super optimistic down to 8 - 9 where we could land. Before 5he season started I was saying between 2 - 5 wins. The team is good if the OL holds up.

Over reacting my ass . I am tired of mcvay's issues , fucking tired of it . What happened yesterday is NOT SUPPOSED to happen. We are not supposed to lose because our HC fucks the entire game in 300 different ways . this is not the fucking nba where you have 300 games per season , we only have 17 . Every game counts .

There is a lot less margin for error this season. We don't have Ramsey, AShawn, Floyd or Wagner. Kupp is on IR and 2 of the 5 OL was hurt give McVay a break. O am not saying you don't have a right to be pissed but he is a great coach he got us to 2 Superbowls in 5 years how many other coaches recently can say that Reid so McVay is an elite coach and you know it.

How about you replace him with any other name out there not name Reid or Belichick I am sure we would really suck. It's one game that was close throughout. If we didn't have Jackson or Boom go down it may have been a different story.

[NorCal RF]

I'm afraid he's not progressing folks. The best years of Sean Mcvay's career may very well be his first 5.

It’s one game Mike after 2 solid ones……

[brasilrams]

Over reacting my ass . I am tired of mcvay's issues , fucking tired of it . What happened yesterday is NOT SUPPOSED to happen. We are not supposed to lose because our HC fucks the entire game in 300 different ways . this is not the fucking nba where you have 300 games per season , we only have 17 . Every game counts .

There is a lot less margin for error this season. We don't have Ramsey, AShawn, Floyd or Wagner. Kupp is on IR and 2 of the 5 OL was hurt give McVay a break. O am not saying you don't have a right to be pissed but he is a great coach he got us to 2 Superbowls in 5 years how many other coaches recently can say that Reid so McVay is an elite coach and you know it.

How about you replace him with any other name out there not name Reid or Belichick I am sure we would really suck. It's one game that was close throughout. If we didn't have Jackson or Boom go down it may have been a different story.

I agree with you the roster is limited , but this offense is never supposed to be this bad . All the pieces we lost are on the defense side and actually the defense played 100 x better than the offense yesterday . Kupp is out so I will give you that but still .....

I am NOt sure mcvay is a top 10 coach .... There are at least about 8-10 guys I would take over mcvay right now . Would I regret later ? MAYBE , but I am just really tired of the same mistakes over and over again . I might be ready for a change . I might sound like an ungrateful bastard because all in all , he gave us a ring , or I am just more impatient than most people . But reading this board and other rams boards , I am definitely not the only one that is getting tired of him ....but I will reserve my final judgement for the end of the season . I am not calling for his head , yet .

[Henry VIII]

Look people this team is what it is..a bunch of rookies and UDFA we weren't going to out play many teams this year..we still have a good coach who does sometimes get lost or even intimidated in tight games..but a lot of the blame for last night's loss has to be on the referees. But McVay does have to pull himself out of that predictable and stagnant play calling and questionable substitutions before I'm ready to dump him.

[Commish]

Over reacting my ass . I am tired of mcvay's issues , fucking tired of it . What happened yesterday is NOT SUPPOSED to happen. We are not supposed to lose because our HC fucks the entire game in 300 different ways . this is not the damn nba where you have 100 games per season , we only have 17 . Every game counts .

Agreed!

The Rams have perhaps ten games left in which they have a somewhat decent shot at winning, however they will likely win only two or three of them if Sean McVay and his coaching staff perform as ineptly as they did vs. the Bengals.

With a solid head coach, our team might win six or seven of those games. Whether McVay can still be a successful NFL head coach, right now that seems highly uncertain...

RAM SEASON!!

--The Commish

[RAMFAN71]

It's 1 game. BUT....I can't help but think...we do all the fans know more about why we lost than he does> In real time too...I was screaming all night at these terrible calls/personnel moves, clock management. I know most of you all were doing the same. So how do we know, but he's clueless? It's not just hindsight. It was apparent all game.

[FelixTheStonerCat]

I'm not ready to give up on him yet. He needs to stop throwing the ball on nearly every down and start running it. It's ridiculous he rarely runs the ball.

[Henry VIII]

I've mentioned in a couple of other posts already alluding to what might be going on with McVay because this was really as bad as it's ever been in regards to his play calling and substitutions..but what if he just received some bad or very concerning news in regards to his baby and or his wife's health during this whole pregnancy thing..something isn't ok in McVay’s world.

[BrooklynRam74]

I've mentioned in a couple of other posts already alluding to what might be going on with McVay because this was really as bad as it's ever been in regards to his play calling and substitutions..but what if he just received some bad or very concerning news in regards to his baby and or his wife's health during this whole pregnancy thing..something isn't ok in McVay’s world.

Disagree. Mcvay's been having games like this ever since we've known him. Abandoning/forgetting the Run. Forgetting to use personnel. Bad timeout usage. Bad clock usage. Poor strategy. This is Sean McVay

[brasilrams]

I've mentioned in a couple of other posts already alluding to what might be going on with McVay because this was really as bad as it's ever been in regards to his play calling and substitutions..but what if he just received some bad or very concerning news in regards to his baby and or his wife's health during this whole pregnancy thing..something isn't ok in McVay’s world.

Disagree. Mcvay's been having games like this ever since we've known him. Abandoning/forgetting the Run. Forgetting to use personnel. Bad timeout usage. Bad clock usage. Poor strategy. This is Sean McVay

exactly . People are acting like it is one game . We wouldn't be SO pissed at him if it was the first time . This happened before , TONS OF TIMES , just not as BAD as this time . So instead of improving as a coach he is regressing ? Because we would see bad game plan here and there , bad play calling here and there , bad personel use here and there , bad time out usage here and there , but ALL OF IT and much more combined in ONE GAME ? that is NEW to me . It is a very concerning trend . And I am sure his ego , still thinks he did everything or almost everything right . From all the shit that he did on monday I have a hard time picking what was worse from this list :

1- Abandoning the run as early as the first quarter.
2- See your back up LT gets dominated and refusing to give him any help .
3- Run the same plays over and over and watch stafford gets killed over and over .
4- Give up TWICE , on third and long like a coward . ( go for a 2 yard run and punt instead of trying to convert )
5- Punt on 4th and 4 , down by 10 points with 6 minutes left ( LOL ) Can he do simple math ? Doesn't he know that if you punt , even if your D stops them right away you are getting the ball back with 3:15 and down by 10 points ? ( that is pretty much game over )
6- Horrible time out usage .
7- With 2:30 seconds left ( one time out and one 2 min warning stop - so basically the clock stops twice ) , and down by 10 points , you are in FG range and instead of kicking the FG , make it a 7 point game and then , try to get a STOP , to get the ball back with 1:15 , you go and try for a TD and in one of those plays , you finally RUN the ball ( LOL ) to waste more precious time . That was the only time you should NOT RUN the ball but you do it . His clock management when we were down by 10 , with 2:30 left was the worst sequence I ever saw from a coach . Does mcvay knows that when you need 10 points , it doesn't matter if you get 7+3 or 3+7 ?

So you can pick from that list what he did WORST . It seems to me he actually WANTED to lose . This is all actually very suspicious .

[BrooklynRam74]

Disagree. Mcvay's been having games like this ever since we've known him. Abandoning/forgetting the Run. Forgetting to use personnel. Bad timeout usage. Bad clock usage. Poor strategy. This is Sean McVay

exactly . People are acting like it is one game . We wouldn't be SO pissed at him if it was the first time . This happened before , TONS OF TIMES , just not as BAD as this time . So instead of improving as a coach he is regressing ? Because we would see bad game plan here and there , bad play calling here and there , bad personel use here and there , bad time out usage here and there , but ALL OF IT and much more combined in ONE GAME ? that is NEW to me . It is a very concerning trend . And I am sure his ego , still thinks he did everything or almost everything right . From all the shit that he did on monday I have a hard time picking what was worse from this list :

1- Abandoning the run as early as the first quarter.
2- See your back up LT gets dominated and refusing to give him any help .
3- Run the same plays over and over and watch stafford gets killed over and over .
4- Give up TWICE , on third and long like a coward . ( go for a 2 yard run and punt instead of trying to convert )
5- Punt on 4th and 4 , down by 10 points with 6 minutes left ( LOL ) Can he do simple math ? Doesn't he know that if you punt , even if your D stops them right away you are getting the ball back with 3:15 and down by 10 points ? ( that is pretty much game over )
6- Horrible time out usage .
7- With 2:30 seconds left ( one time out and one 2 min warning stop - so basically the clock stops twice ) , and down by 10 points , you are in FG range and instead of kicking the FG , make it a 7 point game and then , try to get a STOP , to get the ball back with 1:15 , you go and try for a TD and in one of those plays , you finally RUN the ball ( LOL ) to waste more precious time . That was the only time you should NOT RUN the ball but you do it . His clock management when we were down by 10 , with 2:30 left was the worst sequence I ever saw from a coach . Does mcvay knows that when you need 10 points , it doesn't matter if you get 7+3 or 3+7 ?

So you can pick from that list what he did WORST . It seems to me he actually WANTED to lose . This is all actually very suspicious .

That is SOME list, and all true. From the refs point of view we could suspect the game was fixed, now we have to wonder if our Coach is in on it? Probably not. But not at all happy with this coach until further notice.

[brasilrams]

exactly . People are acting like it is one game . We wouldn't be SO pissed at him if it was the first time . This happened before , TONS OF TIMES , just not as BAD as this time . So instead of improving as a coach he is regressing ? Because we would see bad game plan here and there , bad play calling here and there , bad personel use here and there , bad time out usage here and there , but ALL OF IT and much more combined in ONE GAME ? that is NEW to me . It is a very concerning trend . And I am sure his ego , still thinks he did everything or almost everything right . From all the shit that he did on monday I have a hard time picking what was worse from this list :

1- Abandoning the run as early as the first quarter.
2- See your back up LT gets dominated and refusing to give him any help .
3- Run the same plays over and over and watch stafford gets killed over and over .
4- Give up TWICE , on third and long like a coward . ( go for a 2 yard run and punt instead of trying to convert )
5- Punt on 4th and 4 , down by 10 points with 6 minutes left ( LOL ) Can he do simple math ? Doesn't he know that if you punt , even if your D stops them right away you are getting the ball back with 3:15 and down by 10 points ? ( that is pretty much game over )
6- Horrible time out usage .
7- With 2:30 seconds left ( one time out and one 2 min warning stop - so basically the clock stops twice ) , and down by 10 points , you are in FG range and instead of kicking the FG , make it a 7 point game and then , try to get a STOP , to get the ball back with 1:15 , you go and try for a TD and in one of those plays , you finally RUN the ball ( LOL ) to waste more precious time . That was the only time you should NOT RUN the ball but you do it . His clock management when we were down by 10 , with 2:30 left was the worst sequence I ever saw from a coach . Does mcvay knows that when you need 10 points , it doesn't matter if you get 7+3 or 3+7 ?

So you can pick from that list what he did WORST . It seems to me he actually WANTED to lose . This is all actually very suspicious .

That is SOME list, and all true. From the refs point of view we could suspect the game was fixed, now we have to wonder if our Coach is in on it? Probably not. But not at all happy with this coach until further notice.

Exactly.

[Henry VIII]

I've mentioned in a couple of other posts already alluding to what might be going on with McVay because this was really as bad as it's ever been in regards to his play calling and substitutions..but what if he just received some bad or very concerning news in regards to his baby and or his wife's health during this whole pregnancy thing..something isn't ok in McVay’s world.

Disagree. Mcvay's been having games like this ever since we've known him. Abandoning/forgetting the Run. Forgetting to use personnel. Bad timeout usage. Bad clock usage. Poor strategy. This is Sean McVay

Yes plenty of bad substitutions and bad play calling for sure..but nothing as bad as Monday nights game was..this game was above and beyond what we seen from him throughout the years by a wide margin..that's why I'm speculating that maybe there's an issue with his wife and her pregnancy or hell maybe McVay is burnt out..

[RAMFAN71]

OK- Now Ramswire has a story with McVay saying he wished he had moved Boom over to LT and swapped in Anchrum at RG. WTF? Again, I said this in one of my comments. And others in here mentioned the same thing. Seemed pretty obvious. But WHY does McVay not know this when us mere mortals do? This is crazy. It's not hindsight. We know the team fairly well, but he knows better. So it's really not good when he says he "wished" he di this or "wished" he did that. You know better coach.

[Utah Rams Fan]

Disagree. Mcvay's been having games like this ever since we've known him. Abandoning/forgetting the Run. Forgetting to use personnel. Bad timeout usage. Bad clock usage. Poor strategy. This is Sean McVay

exactly . People are acting like it is one game . We wouldn't be SO pissed at him if it was the first time . This happened before , TONS OF TIMES , just not as BAD as this time . So instead of improving as a coach he is regressing ? Because we would see bad game plan here and there , bad play calling here and there , bad personel use here and there , bad time out usage here and there , but ALL OF IT and much more combined in ONE GAME ? that is NEW to me . It is a very concerning trend . And I am sure his ego , still thinks he did everything or almost everything right . From all the shit that he did on monday I have a hard time picking what was worse from this list :

1- Abandoning the run as early as the first quarter.
2- See your back up LT gets dominated and refusing to give him any help .
3- Run the same plays over and over and watch stafford gets killed over and over .
4- Give up TWICE , on third and long like a coward . ( go for a 2 yard run and punt instead of trying to convert )
5- Punt on 4th and 4 , down by 10 points with 6 minutes left ( LOL ) Can he do simple math ? Doesn't he know that if you punt , even if your D stops them right away you are getting the ball back with 3:15 and down by 10 points ? ( that is pretty much game over )
6- Horrible time out usage .
7- With 2:30 seconds left ( one time out and one 2 min warning stop - so basically the clock stops twice ) , and down by 10 points , you are in FG range and instead of kicking the FG , make it a 7 point game and then , try to get a STOP , to get the ball back with 1:15 , you go and try for a TD and in one of those plays , you finally RUN the ball ( LOL ) to waste more precious time . That was the only time you should NOT RUN the ball but you do it . His clock management when we were down by 10 , with 2:30 left was the worst sequence I ever saw from a coach . Does mcvay knows that when you need 10 points , it doesn't matter if you get 7+3 or 3+7 ?

So you can pick from that list what he did WORST . It seems to me he actually WANTED to lose . This is all actually very suspicious .

Don’t forget 1st and goal on the 3 and he passes 3 times.

[bigklein]

Historically, when McVay’s stuff works, it’s incredible. When it doesn’t, he’s like a bad sci-fi robot whose wires have been crossed and repeats over and over, “Does not compute. Does not compute.” He needs a special coach nearby who has permission to slap him in the face when he can’t adapt or is too stubborn, someone who can pull him out of whatever weird theater his head has become and bring him into the reality of the present moment.

[BrooklynRam74]

That is an awesome assessment bk, it's all at once hilarious, accurate, sad and depressing. "Does not compute, does not compute," THAAAAAATS GRAAAAATE!

[bigklein]

Thanks, Brooksy. I’ve often wondered if Ted Rath, the strength coach who used to grab McVay’s shirt and bear hug him to prevent him from running on the field, may have had his ear at times during games. Rath, who has been very successful with the Eagles, got into trouble during the 2018 playoffs and was absent from the superbowl. I still think that his absence is part of why McVay couldn’t get the offense to click. Then things got worse in 2019 and 2020. I don’t know if he had permission to slap McVay, but he seemed to have some kind of stabilizing influence over him.

[BrooklynRam74]

Thanks, Brooksy. I’ve often wondered if Ted Rath, the strength coach who used to grab McVay’s shirt and bear hug him to prevent him from running on the field, may have had his ear at times during games. Rath, who has been very successful with the Eagles, got into trouble during the 2018 playoffs and was absent from the superbowl. I still think that his absence is part of why McVay couldn’t get the offense to click. Then things got worse in 2019 and 2020. I don’t know if he had permission to slap McVay, but he seemed to have some kind of stabilizing influence over him.

[Utah Rams Fan]

The video points out big mistakes, but certainly not all of them

[Rams fan since 1973]

Why didn’t he admit he was wrong by not addressing the offensive line in his post game presser? Instead, he doubles down on it. Now, he is saying he should have? Nothing he says ever has any truth, substance, or value to it. There is no need to listen to him because he’s never straight with anyone.

[Hacksaw]

Damn, that rant was damning.