Doesn't Feel Like a Win

[RamPower]

When we lost to SF most on this board were saying that was a "good" loss because we played a tough team well.

Losing to the 49ers is, of and by itself, the absolute *worst* kind of defeat which our team can suffer.

I strongly dislike those archrivals, thus I pretty much hate it whenever the Rams lose a game to them...

RAM SEASON!!

--The Commish

Losing to them in an NFC Championship game would hardly be on the level of the game we saw a few weeks ago

Rams are in a rebuild process obviously. The whiners are all-in with a championship chase before their roster potentially largely falls apart next season.

That was the best SF could do vs. our young/inexperienced roster? Certainly not the SOSAR. Loss or not, that game opened some eyes in a positive way regarding the Rams.

A Rams team that again seems well poised to pull off a successful rebuild in the next year or two thru draft & free agency.

[Raminec]

I see things a little differently. It’s kind of like baseball when you’re up 4 runs in the top of the ninth and you bring your closer in and he walks a couple of batters and then gives up a grand slam to tie the game. Really shitty feeling until your lead off hitter in the bottom of the ninth goes yard and you get a walk off homer. You’re going to be a little worried about your closer but that’s no reason not to celebrate the victory with your team. It’s a W. Not perfect. Not pretty but it’s a W. Bears blew a 28-7 lead today to a team that just got beat 70-20. How do you think they feel? Rams got a win. They only had 5 of those last season. No need to feel bad about it. Enjoy it. This team is supposed to be terrible by all the preseason predictions. Are they perfect? Not close. But they are playing hard and have been in every game. I’m encouraged. But maybe I’m just optimistic. That’s a rarity on this forum.

Nothing wrong with being an optimist, as long as there are no rose colored eyewear involved, and I get your point as I did the OP, both are valid, in different ways, my thing is let them see it how they see it. Your view is just as valid and that's cool with me. I couldn't get really worked up about it due to blowing the lead and it may be just that we won the toss that we got the win.

Bottom line it's a win and I take wins any way I can get them. I'm happy the kids are doing work, and I'd like to see a few changes, and I'm concerned we took our foot off the gas and then started settling for FG's which I think we do a little too much of, but we're 2-2 which is better than 1-3 or 0-4.

Besides as a late friend of mine used to say, "If everyone liked the same things, the lines would be too long"

I might be guilty of wearing rose colored eyewear at times but I’m also very straight with my evaluation. They had a lot of good stuff yesterday and a lot that needs to be cleaned up. I get it. The Rams pulled it out yesterday after getting out to a big lead and stumbling over themselves. Like I said in an earlier post it was eerily similar to the Tampa Bay playoff game just a couple of years ago. That one was on a much bigger stage and the Rams have almost completely retooled their team since then. This was the type of game that could have buried a young team trying to learn how to win if they lost it. I know that some are feeling bad about it. I just recognize how important a win it was for their confidence. The team played hard on the road against an underrated Colts team.Now after essentially 4 road games to start the season they have to face the defending NFC Champs this week. This schedule is a really tough one and the NFL didn’t do the Rams any favors. They have earned their two victories and have made the opponent play the full 60 minutes in both losses .

I’m celebrating victory Monday!

[armyram]

Complaining about wins now…. Smh! I said at halftime that this game is far from over. This is a great win. Colts been playing good ball, we were in their house and came out with the win! Young team, great win! Enjoy it!

Says the biggest complainer on this board at one time. Spare me the hypocrisy dude. Get real lol.

And no it was not a great win. It was a win....yes! Far from great.

Hellram…. Not trash talking with you! Great win it was! This isn’t college, not ranked on points. It’s a “W” and that’s all that counts. Not just because it doesn’t fit your high standards… still a W!

[HellRam]

Says the biggest complainer on this board at one time. Spare me the hypocrisy dude. Get real lol.

And no it was not a great win. It was a win....yes! Far from great.

Hellram…. Not trash talking with you! Great win it was! This isn’t college, not ranked on points. It’s a “W” and that’s all that counts. Not just because it doesn’t fit your high standards… still a W!

No one said it wasn't bud! So your point is moot. I'm just calling out your double standard. You complaining about complaining is idiotic since thats all you did on this board in the past. So again spare me your bs bro.

[Rampager66]

Can't believe how the Offense somehow is getting the blame for this despite having a 300+ passer, a 100+ rusher and a 150+ yard reciever... 8 scoring drives if you count the 2 missed FG's and the drive they pulled it out with the OT TD... More than enough offense before OT
But it befuddles me how Morris and the D get a pass again... played a great 1st half but then.... MCPlay and the Offense didn't give up 235 yards, 3 TD's and 2 - 2pt converts in 16 minutes.. that was the D playing to not lose again... Notice tonight, the Hags D didn;t stop bringing it to the end... There was no prevent d on their part.

That IMO is why the game got tense and they need to learn to kick somebody when their down one or 2 more times just to make sure...

[brasilrams]

I think what we fans seem to forget is that’s incredibly difficult to win in this league.
Being on the road, to a decent Colts team, we should have known they were going to get going in the second half and with the momentum, and crowd behind them, it was a gut check for the Rams. The younger guys learned allot from this game.

Look around the league, Bengals should be 0-4, Vikings are having a bad year, Cowboys lost to the Cardinals, Dolphins put up 70 pts, the next week, they give up 48. Even the Eagles barely won this past week. Lots of teams are having problems.
This win was huge road win for the youngster’s. I’ll gladly take it.

[brasilrams]

Can't believe how the Offense somehow is getting the blame for this despite having a 300+ passer, a 100+ rusher and a 150+ yard reciever... 8 scoring drives if you count the 2 missed FG's and the drive they pulled it out with the OT TD... More than enough offense before OT
But it befuddles me how Morris and the D get a pass again... played a great 1st half but then.... MCPlay and the Offense didn't give up 235 yards, 3 TD's and 2 - 2pt converts in 16 minutes.. that was the D playing to not lose again... Notice tonight, the Hags D didn;t stop bringing it to the end... There was no prevent d on their part.

That IMO is why the game got tense and they need to learn to kick somebody when their down one or 2 more times just to make sure...

I think it was a complete meltdown in the second half . While the d allowed 23 points , our offense at the same time couldn't get ONE point during this process . They played equally as bad during the 23 points comeback . 23-0 to 23-23 means the defense couldn't stop them anymore AND your offense couldn't do shit WHILE your defense couldn't stop them , that is FOUR possessions in a ROW that your offense couldn't do anything . That is why the scored 23 unanswered points . I know maher missed 2 FGs and if he nails , the offense would have score more 6 points and it would be 29-23. That is true and I admit that ...

But the thing is our d LACKs talent so it is expected for them to have this issues here and there , I don't like Morris at all , called for his head MULTIPLE TIMES but I think he is doing fine ( this season only ) given the material he has to work with . Our offense is supposed to be better than our defense ( at least on paper ) and so far , they have yet to play a complete game ( maybe the seattle game but that is it ) .

[crazy-legs]

My mindset going into this season was to see if our young players are posers or future Rams. Win or lose I just want to see progress. Roughly 40% of Ram starters are first or second year players. For the most part I think they're doing really well. We also have players like Tomlinson etc. who look to have promise too...

Great win - of course not. Beating S.F. in the NFC championship game was a great win. Promising win looking down the road - heck yeah. They are already playing better than I thought they would so I'm pleased with the effort\progress...

[Rampager66]

Can't believe how the Offense somehow is getting the blame for this despite having a 300+ passer, a 100+ rusher and a 150+ yard reciever... 8 scoring drives if you count the 2 missed FG's and the drive they pulled it out with the OT TD... More than enough offense before OT
But it befuddles me how Morris and the D get a pass again... played a great 1st half but then.... MCPlay and the Offense didn't give up 235 yards, 3 TD's and 2 - 2pt converts in 16 minutes.. that was the D playing to not lose again... Notice tonight, the Hags D didn;t stop bringing it to the end... There was no prevent d on their part.

That IMO is why the game got tense and they need to learn to kick somebody when their down one or 2 more times just to make sure...

I think it was a complete meltdown in the second half . While the d allowed 23 points , our offense at the same time couldn't get ONE point during this process . They played equally as bad during the 23 points comeback . 23-0 to 23-23 means the defense couldn't stop them anymore AND your offense couldn't do shit WHILE your defense couldn't stop them , that is FOUR possessions in a ROW that your offense couldn't do anything . That is why the scored 23 unanswered points . I know maher missed 2 FGs and if he nails , the offense would have score more 6 points and it would be 29-23. That is true and I admit that ...

But the thing is our d LACKs talent so it is expected for them to have this issues here and there , I don't like Morris at all , called for his head MULTIPLE TIMES but I think he is doing fine ( this season only ) given the material he has to work with . Our offense is supposed to be better than our defense ( at least on paper ) and so far , they have yet to play a complete game ( maybe the seattle game but that is it ) .

Going forward bro, I have fewer concerns with the O then the D. As long as everyone stays healthy, especially the Line. Stafford's pick btw didn't end up costing them because the Colts turned that possession over on downs.
They'll score enough, especially with 10 coming back and the new line gets more run blocking reps and that phase starts to improve.
I never have and never will be able to stand weak/soft/prevent Defenses, though, I don't care what the score is. That great Rams Defense from the underachieving 70's team must of spoiled me.
To be fair the Colts got a couple timely calls that kept drives going after apparent incompletions on 3rd down, but the fact is they let Richardson drive them the length of the field 3 times in 4 drives. This suddenly after completely stuffing them in the 1st half tells me they were giving them the short stuff... You say the D is young, lacks talent and is therefore expected to have issues but the same consideration isn't being given to the O-line.... We learned last year if the O-line has issue and lacks talent, it doesn't matter who your stars are, if they stay healthy that is......
Are they not learning on the job too... W/o Kupp and 3 road games, and a home road game to SF and, 3 of their 4 games have been against playoff teams from last year with another who made the SB up next and their 2-2. With imo a string of winnable games coming up after Philly...
Gotta say I'm pleasantly surprised at them so far and am feeling better about the year then I was before it started...

[Hacksaw]

If Kupp is definitely looking like he is healthy, McSnead has to be asking themselves if they are close enough to get that pass rusher at the trade deadline.

Will be interesting to see how they mesh Puka and Kupp....maybe Puka inside and Kupp outside? Just one of the sub plots I am interested in watching

There is only one ball.

[sanbagger]

Will be interesting to see how they mesh Puka and Kupp....maybe Puka inside and Kupp outside? Just one of the sub plots I am interested in watching

There is only one ball.

Yep....but the defense doesn't know where that one ball is going

[Hacksaw]

There is only one ball.

Yep....but the defense doesn't know where that one ball is going

Touche'. Stafford is going to have the biggest adjustment. What a problem to have. lol

[Ramsfan08ny]

Bottom line is, Mcvay has to go for the throat in every game. Up23 to zip you can't be worried about showing the opposition up. We've seen far too many huge comebacks the past few years. If you're up 20, try to make it 30, then look at going up 40.

[sanbagger]

Bottom line is, Mcvay has to go for the throat in every game. Up23 to zip you can't be worried about showing the opposition up. We've seen far too many huge comebacks the past few years. If you're up 20, try to make it 30, then look at going up 40.

The problem with philosophy is you bring the risk factor back into play. When you have a 3 score differential, the last thing you want to do is turn the ball over deep in your own territory and allow a quick score. You want the opposition to earn every point with long, sustained,clock killing drives.

[RamPower]

Can't believe how the Offense somehow is getting the blame for this despite having a 300+ passer, a 100+ rusher and a 150+ yard reciever... 8 scoring drives if you count the 2 missed FG's and the drive they pulled it out with the OT TD... More than enough offense before OT
But it befuddles me how Morris and the D get a pass again... played a great 1st half but then.... MCPlay and the Offense didn't give up 235 yards, 3 TD's and 2 - 2pt converts in 16 minutes.. that was the D playing to not lose again... Notice tonight, the Hags D didn;t stop bringing it to the end... There was no prevent d on their part.

That IMO is why the game got tense and they need to learn to kick somebody when their down one or 2 more times just to make sure...

I think it was a complete meltdown in the second half . While the d allowed 23 points , our offense at the same time couldn't get ONE point during this process . They played equally as bad during the 23 points comeback . 23-0 to 23-23 means the defense couldn't stop them anymore AND your offense couldn't do shit WHILE your defense couldn't stop them , that is FOUR possessions in a ROW that your offense couldn't do anything . That is why the scored 23 unanswered points . I know maher missed 2 FGs and if he nails , the offense would have score more 6 points and it would be 29-23. That is true and I admit that ...

But the thing is our d LACKs talent so it is expected for them to have this issues here and there , I don't like Morris at all , called for his head MULTIPLE TIMES but I think he is doing fine ( this season only ) given the material he has to work with . Our offense is supposed to be better than our defense ( at least on paper ) and so far , they have yet to play a complete game ( maybe the seattle game but that is it ) .

Injuries are meltdowns now?

Stafford owned the Colts D until the hip pointer, even in that first drive of the 2nd half…right up until the meltdo, errr hip injury. Yes, immediately after the INT.

That was the oh-so-obvious point of the offensive struggles. Maybe we define meltdown differently? Stafford’s throws were horrible, starting at that exact point (score was 23-8). Hell he was obviously right on the border (hurting the team) of being replaced for our “please not Brett Rypien” back-up. Stafford in shotgun = pass play so release the hounds. It was really hard to watch/couldn't even drop-back at one point…but yeah wow what toughnesss as we expect from M. Stafford…

And eventually he could shake it off for the impressive walk-off OT TD, all within what had become an Indy hurricane.

[Rampager66]

Bottom line is, Mcvay has to go for the throat in every game. Up23 to zip you can't be worried about showing the opposition up. We've seen far too many huge comebacks the past few years. If you're up 20, try to make it 30, then look at going up 40.

Totally agree. I remember the 9ers in the SB, up 49-26 over the Chargers with 5 or so minutes to go, and Steve Young going post, trying to get their Pro Bowl all world shut down CB Deion Sanders an Offensive receiving TD... A little extreme but makes the point.
Up 4 scores with 5 minutes to go in the game is when we start subbing the studs out and playing to not get hurt or hurt anyone, not with 5 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter. Because for some reason it seems like teams are never able to turn it back on once they go soft.

[Commish]

Bottom line is, Mcvay has to go for the throat in every game. Up23 to zip you can't be worried about showing the opposition up. We've seen far too many huge comebacks the past few years. If you're up 20, try to make it 30, then look at going up 40.

Agreed!

Yes, our team's "D" made a rookie QB look like an All-Pro in the second half vs. the Colts, didn't it? Still, overall the Rams' young defenders have been playing somewhat better than I had expected, except perhaps vs. the 49ers.

It's not comforting to ponder what would've happened in OT had the Good Guys lost the coin toss, however, because an OT victory is much preferable to an OT loss...

RAM SEASON!!

--The Commish

[brasilrams]

I think it was a complete meltdown in the second half . While the d allowed 23 points , our offense at the same time couldn't get ONE point during this process . They played equally as bad during the 23 points comeback . 23-0 to 23-23 means the defense couldn't stop them anymore AND your offense couldn't do shit WHILE your defense couldn't stop them , that is FOUR possessions in a ROW that your offense couldn't do anything . That is why the scored 23 unanswered points . I know maher missed 2 FGs and if he nails , the offense would have score more 6 points and it would be 29-23. That is true and I admit that ...

But the thing is our d LACKs talent so it is expected for them to have this issues here and there , I don't like Morris at all , called for his head MULTIPLE TIMES but I think he is doing fine ( this season only ) given the material he has to work with . Our offense is supposed to be better than our defense ( at least on paper ) and so far , they have yet to play a complete game ( maybe the seattle game but that is it ) .

Injuries are meltdowns now?

Stafford owned the Colts D until the hip pointer, even in that first drive of the 2nd half…right up until the meltdo, errr hip injury. Yes, immediately after the INT.

That was the oh-so-obvious point of the offensive struggles. Maybe we define meltdown differently? Stafford’s throws were horrible, starting at that exact point (score was 23-8). Hell he was obviously right on the border (hurting the team) of being replaced for our “please not Brett Rypien” back-up. Stafford in shotgun = pass play so release the hounds. It was really hard to watch/couldn't even drop-back at one point…but yeah wow what toughnesss as we expect from M. Stafford…

And eventually he could shake it off for the impressive walk-off OT TD, all within what had become an Indy hurricane.

I don't like using injury as an excuse for poor performance . Fact is that our offense couldn't do anything for 4 straight possessions . When he threw the pick if i am not mistaken , he was still fine . Like I said 23-0 to 23-23 doesn't happen unless a complete meltdown takes place both on defense AND offense .

[brasilrams]

Bottom line is, Mcvay has to go for the throat in every game. Up23 to zip you can't be worried about showing the opposition up. We've seen far too many huge comebacks the past few years. If you're up 20, try to make it 30, then look at going up 40.

Agreed!

Yes, our team's "D" made a rookie QB look like an All-Pro in the second half vs. the Colts, didn't it? Still, overall the Rams' young defenders have been playing somewhat better than I had expected, except perhaps vs. the 49ers.

It's not comforting to ponder what would've happened in OT had the Good Guys lost the coin toss, however, because an OT victory is much preferable to an OT loss...

RAM SEASON!!

--The Commish

that rookie is the real deal and the closest thing to lamar jackson now . He made some plays that very few qb can make in that second half.

[RamPower]

Injuries are meltdowns now?

Stafford owned the Colts D until the hip pointer, even in that first drive of the 2nd half…right up until the meltdo, errr hip injury. Yes, immediately after the INT.

That was the oh-so-obvious point of the offensive struggles. Maybe we define meltdown differently? Stafford’s throws were horrible, starting at that exact point (score was 23-8). Hell he was obviously right on the border (hurting the team) of being replaced for our “please not Brett Rypien” back-up. Stafford in shotgun = pass play so release the hounds. It was really hard to watch/couldn't even drop-back at one point…but yeah wow what toughnesss as we expect from M. Stafford…

And eventually he could shake it off for the impressive walk-off OT TD, all within what had become an Indy hurricane.

I don't like using injury as an excuse for poor performance . Fact is that our offense couldn't do anything for 4 straight possessions . When he threw the pick if i am not mistaken , he was still fine . Like I said 23-0 to 23-23 doesn't happen unless a complete meltdown takes place both on defense AND offense .

Injuries arent excuses? LOL. Without a healthy Stafford, this team, oh fuck nm. Pretty sure the INT was right after the injury btw That's just some crazy shit right there...

[brasilrams]

I don't like using injury as an excuse for poor performance . Fact is that our offense couldn't do anything for 4 straight possessions . When he threw the pick if i am not mistaken , he was still fine . Like I said 23-0 to 23-23 doesn't happen unless a complete meltdown takes place both on defense AND offense .

Injuries arent excuses? LOL. Without a healthy Stafford, this team, oh fuck nm. Pretty sure the INT was right after the injury btw That's just some crazy shit right there...

Yeah I will blame the pick on the hip injury .... sure . because he is not throwing any picks right ? In 4 games he has 5 already , maybe he had a hip injury in the other 3 games too hu ? .

And no injuries are no excuse . If you are on the field , PLAYING , you can't use injury as an excuse for poor playing . I am not even saying stafford played poorly because I don't think he did . MY INITIAL point was that our defense has been more consistent than our offense and to go from 23-0 to 23-0 takes a complete TEAM MELTDOWN , not just the defense . that is my opinion and it ain't gonna change . So you can " LOL " as much as you want , won't change a thing .

[BrooklynRam74]

Injuries arent excuses? LOL. Without a healthy Stafford, this team, oh fuck nm. Pretty sure the INT was right after the injury btw That's just some crazy shit right there...

Yeah I will blame the pick on the hip injury .... sure . because he is not throwing any picks right ? In 4 games he has 5 already , maybe he had a hip injury in the other 3 games too hu ? .

And no injuries are no excuse . If you are on the field , PLAYING , you can't use injury as an excuse for poor playing . I am not even saying stafford played poorly because I don't think he did . MY INITIAL point was that our defense has been more consistent than our offense and to go from 23-0 to 23-0 takes a complete TEAM MELTDOWN , not just the defense . that is my opinion and it ain't gonna change . So you can " LOL " as much as you want , won't change a thing .

Stafford throws picks. So did Kurt Warner.

Good with the bad.

Give me Stafford (and Warner)

Also, give me his Overtime drive in Indy, and his game-winning drive in Divisional Round in Tampa.

Purposely leaving out winning drives against San Francisco and Cincinnati...because, you know....

[Rampager66]

Injuries are meltdowns now?

Stafford owned the Colts D until the hip pointer, even in that first drive of the 2nd half…right up until the meltdo, errr hip injury. Yes, immediately after the INT.

That was the oh-so-obvious point of the offensive struggles. Maybe we define meltdown differently? Stafford’s throws were horrible, starting at that exact point (score was 23-8). Hell he was obviously right on the border (hurting the team) of being replaced for our “please not Brett Rypien” back-up. Stafford in shotgun = pass play so release the hounds. It was really hard to watch/couldn't even drop-back at one point…but yeah wow what toughnesss as we expect from M. Stafford…

And eventually he could shake it off for the impressive walk-off OT TD, all within what had become an Indy hurricane.

I don't like using injury as an excuse for poor performance . Fact is that our offense couldn't do anything for 4 straight possessions . When he threw the pick if i am not mistaken , he was still fine . Like I said 23-0 to 23-23 doesn't happen unless a complete meltdown takes place both on defense AND offense .

I challenge the couldn't do anything for 4 straight possessions claim.. In one of those drives, they drove 40 yards in 8 plays and Maher missed his 2nd FG of the day, this one from 48 yards. Driving into scoring position is not exactly doing nothing.... The other was from 42 yards and both are considered almost automatic, if you want to be a kicker in the NFL.
How is it the Offenses fault when Special Teams screw up. Just like the D getting Points allowed after the O or ST turned the ball over and put the D in a hole. Pass the freakin buck or what!

[RamPower]

Injuries arent excuses? LOL. Without a healthy Stafford, this team, oh fuck nm. Pretty sure the INT was right after the injury btw That's just some crazy shit right there...

Yeah I will blame the pick on the hip injury .... sure . because he is not throwing any picks right ? In 4 games he has 5 already , maybe he had a hip injury in the other 3 games too hu ? .

And no injuries are no excuse . If you are on the field , PLAYING , you can't use injury as an excuse for poor playing . I am not even saying stafford played poorly because I don't think he did . MY INITIAL point was that our defense has been more consistent than our offense and to go from 23-0 to 23-0 takes a complete TEAM MELTDOWN , not just the defense . that is my opinion and it ain't gonna change . So you can " LOL " as much as you want , won't change a thing .

Injuries ARE the sport, as in, can you stay healthy...especially can your KEY players stay healthy. I'd say Stafford is pretty key = he goes down, you have a legit shot at no more wins this season.

Next man up is fine for coach speak and players trying to rally around back-ups BUT c'mon man. Most teams lose their starting QB are going to suffer bigtime in today's NFL.

And the topic (OP) was the Colt game, not whatever we saw in Cinn (funny you didn't mention SEA & SF games as well). Stafford was near flawless right until the hip in Indy. Then the opposite after the hit. He could barely stand let alone scramble, couldn't really drop back...until he finally looked like the hip worked it's way back. Then bang, super Stafford was back - gameball.

If you think the hip wasn't a factor, and it was a simple offensive meltdown, that's fine. Can't imagine a worse take on what was occurring though I gotta say...

[brasilrams]

I don't like using injury as an excuse for poor performance . Fact is that our offense couldn't do anything for 4 straight possessions . When he threw the pick if i am not mistaken , he was still fine . Like I said 23-0 to 23-23 doesn't happen unless a complete meltdown takes place both on defense AND offense .

I challenge the couldn't do anything for 4 straight possessions claim.. In one of those drives, they drove 40 yards in 8 plays and Maher missed his 2nd FG of the day, this one from 48 yards. Driving into scoring position is not exactly doing nothing.... The other was from 42 yards and both are considered almost automatic, if you want to be a kicker in the NFL.
How is it the Offenses fault when Special Teams screw up. Just like the D getting Points allowed after the O or ST turned the ball over and put the D in a hole. Pass the freakin buck or what!

I think I already told you ( maybe it was not you and I was replying to someone else ) but I already said that I understand that the offense was able to get us in FG range twice and Maher missed it . So we should have 6 points . Well , I will meet you half way and SAY 3 points because 48 yard is not AUTOMATIC , there is a legit chance your kicker might miss , we are talking almost 50 yards here , they miss from this distance every WEEK in the NFL so no , it is not automatic . But 42 yards - YES that should be automatic ( or almost ) , if you are a good kicker . So ok , 3 points in 4 possessions. Still pretty bad compared to what we were doing in the first half where we scored on EVERY POSSESSION . You guys can " challenge "all you want I will keep saying that from a team to go from 23-0 to 23-23 is a complete team meltdown , offense , defense and ST . I am not ENTIRELY blaming this on the defense . Just not .

[brasilrams]

Yeah I will blame the pick on the hip injury .... sure . because he is not throwing any picks right ? In 4 games he has 5 already , maybe he had a hip injury in the other 3 games too hu ? .

And no injuries are no excuse . If you are on the field , PLAYING , you can't use injury as an excuse for poor playing . I am not even saying stafford played poorly because I don't think he did . MY INITIAL point was that our defense has been more consistent than our offense and to go from 23-0 to 23-0 takes a complete TEAM MELTDOWN , not just the defense . that is my opinion and it ain't gonna change . So you can " LOL " as much as you want , won't change a thing .

Injuries ARE the sport, as in, can you stay healthy...especially can your KEY players stay healthy. I'd say Stafford is pretty key = he goes down, you have a legit shot at no more wins this season.

Next man up is fine for coach speak and players trying to rally around back-ups BUT c'mon man. Most teams lose their starting QB are going to suffer bigtime in today's NFL.

And the topic (OP) was the Colt game, not whatever we saw in Cinn (funny you didn't mention SEA & SF games as well). Stafford was near flawless right until the hip in Indy. Then the opposite after the hit. He could barely stand let alone scramble, couldn't really drop back...until he finally looked like the hip worked it's way back. Then bang, super Stafford was back - gameball.

If you think the hip wasn't a factor, and it was a simple offensive meltdown, that's fine. Can't imagine a worse take on what was occurring though I gotta say...

I said the offense struggled big time against the bengals which they did , 49ers and seattle the offense was good for the entire game . But against the bengals they were bad ( bad play calling and backup o line men was not ready ) and against the colts they were good for ONE HALF , bad for the second half . That is why I said they need to be more consistent . And we didn't lose our QB . I didn't see the back up there . If I saw , then I would understand no points in 4-5 straight possession , but staff was a bit banged but still there . We didn't LOSE our QB like you are trying to say . Burrow played 4 quarters with a bad injury , that is what they do , that is life in the NFL .

And I never said it was an OFFENSIVE meltdown , I said it was a COMPLETE TEAM MELTDOWN , every one of the 3 phases ( O , D , ST ) has its share of blame for allowing 23-0 to 23-23 . You want to blame the ST and defense ENTIRELY and leave the offense out ? Fine but I can't imagine a worse take .

[Rampager66]

Yeah I will blame the pick on the hip injury .... sure . because he is not throwing any picks right ? In 4 games he has 5 already , maybe he had a hip injury in the other 3 games too hu ? .

And no injuries are no excuse . If you are on the field , PLAYING , you can't use injury as an excuse for poor playing . I am not even saying stafford played poorly because I don't think he did . MY INITIAL point was that our defense has been more consistent than our offense and to go from 23-0 to 23-0 takes a complete TEAM MELTDOWN , not just the defense . that is my opinion and it ain't gonna change . So you can " LOL " as much as you want , won't change a thing .

Injuries ARE the sport, as in, can you stay healthy...especially can your KEY players stay healthy. I'd say Stafford is pretty key = he goes down, you have a legit shot at no more wins this season.

Next man up is fine for coach speak and players trying to rally around back-ups BUT c'mon man. Most teams lose their starting QB are going to suffer bigtime in today's NFL.

And the topic (OP) was the Colt game, not whatever we saw in Cinn (funny you didn't mention SEA & SF games as well). Stafford was near flawless right until the hip in Indy. Then the opposite after the hit. He could barely stand let alone scramble, couldn't really drop back...until he finally looked like the hip worked it's way back. Then bang, super Stafford was back - gameball.

If you think the hip wasn't a factor, and it was a simple offensive meltdown, that's fine. Can't imagine a worse take on what was occurring though I gotta say...

I do see where you're coming from RP... He was hobbling out there for a couple series... And the reason he was hobbled, the Indy D made a play...
That's the way it is tho bro... It's always us that fucked up and never that the opposition was just better that play. series, quarter or game.

[brasilrams]

Injuries ARE the sport, as in, can you stay healthy...especially can your KEY players stay healthy. I'd say Stafford is pretty key = he goes down, you have a legit shot at no more wins this season.

Next man up is fine for coach speak and players trying to rally around back-ups BUT c'mon man. Most teams lose their starting QB are going to suffer bigtime in today's NFL.

And the topic (OP) was the Colt game, not whatever we saw in Cinn (funny you didn't mention SEA & SF games as well). Stafford was near flawless right until the hip in Indy. Then the opposite after the hit. He could barely stand let alone scramble, couldn't really drop back...until he finally looked like the hip worked it's way back. Then bang, super Stafford was back - gameball.

If you think the hip wasn't a factor, and it was a simple offensive meltdown, that's fine. Can't imagine a worse take on what was occurring though I gotta say...

I do see where you're coming from RP... He was hobbling out there for a couple series... And the reason he was hobbled, the Indy D made a play...
That's the way it is tho bro... It's always us that fucked up and never that the opposition was just better that play. series, quarter or game.

They made a play , actually more than one , tons of it , both their offense and defense . But I DO think we were bad for the second half or else we wouldn't have allowed 23-0 to 23-23 . It is like they started to making all the plays and we couldn't make ONE . All in all I think it was a great lesson ( a much better lesson because it ended with a W ) , this team is young and will improve. And I don't blame mcvay for calling a conservative game after 23-0 . I would do the same ..... here you want to be conservative . I blame him for what happened last week . You don't want to conservative when down by 10 points with 6 minutes left and you punt the ball on 4th and 4 , can't do that , it is absurd . You don't want to be conservative when you are losing the game and it is 3rd and 15 and you give up ( run + punt ) . There is a time to be conservative and when you are up 23-0 it is the perfect time . So no blame on mcvay here . Players should execute better and last sunday , if they did , 23-23 wouldn't happen .

[Rampager66]

I do see where you're coming from RP... He was hobbling out there for a couple series... And the reason he was hobbled, the Indy D made a play...
That's the way it is tho bro... It's always us that fucked up and never that the opposition was just better that play. series, quarter or game.

They made a play , actually more than one , tons of it , both their offense and defense . But I DO think we were bad for the second half or else we wouldn't have allowed 23-0 to 23-23 . It is like they started to making all the plays and we couldn't make ONE . All is all I think it was a great lesson ( a much better lesson because it ended with a W ) , this team is young and will improve. And I don't blame mcvay for calling a conservative game after 23-0 . I would do the same , here you want to be conservative . I blame him for what happened last week . You don't want to conservative when down by 10 points with 6 minutes left and you punt the ball on 4th and 4 , can't do that . You don't want to be conservative when you are losing the game and and it is 3rd and 15 and you give up ( run + punt ) . There is a time to be conservative and when up 23-0 it is the perfect time . So no blame on mcvay here . Players needed to execute better and if they did , 23-23 wouldn't happen .

No argument from me that all 3 phases shared in the 2nd half meltdown although our missed 42 yard FG was in the 1st half, and was offset the ensuing series by a missed Colt FG attempt.
And let me say YOU using Joe Burrow as an example actually makes RamPower's case about Staff when he was "struggling" for 4 series...
Burrow has been limping around for 3 games and his Offense, Team and their results have been awful for a lot longer then 4 series.
So you're QB being hurt can matter and RP has a valid point... imo!

As for Sean... The guys been poached for Coach's, Scouts, Assistants and Players for how many years now? How many are left from year 1? Yet here he is still on top of his game despite the revolving door of company personnel always coming and going... Something that happens more often to elite teams and coach's. A badge of honor really..
Again the Cincy game... they made more plays then we did, that's what I saw. And coach's don't "make" plays, players do. Players get all the credit when it works and whoever called the play when it doesn't... that's wanting it both ways imo...
So we agree to disagree on the Cincy Game too bro!.. but we agree on most other things so that's Ok...

[Ramsfan08ny]

Will be interesting to see how they mesh Puka and Kupp....maybe Puka inside and Kupp outside? Just one of the sub plots I am interested in watching

There is only one ball.

One ball is plenty when you have two guys who know how to get open, and catch everything that hits their hands. Shouldn't be too many balls hitting the turf.