At least 300 dead, Israeli PM Netanyahu declares 'war' after Hamas terrorists launch massive attack!

[HellRam]

This thing I keep going back to in my head, and of course.. I do not know all the details... BUT... what a major intelligence lapse by Israel.

To let these terrorist just come walk through the fences like they did and not be prepared for it, is insane. It's like Israel let their guard down.

Makes me wonder about our own US border if some Country wants to destroy us... the only difference is that we would just let them walk in, claim asylum and let them go free, for months, then hope they'll show back up for their court dates in 12 months. Meanwhile, they'll just be mapping out things and putting target plans in place.

Border security is so huge in my book. Again, and of course I do not know all the facts, but to not be ready for these tactics by Hamas is just mind blowing.

Prob the biggest intelligence flop in 50 years in Israel. The videos I have been seeing makes me so angry. Kids literally in cages being tortured. Old ladies being driven to their deaths and or future bargaining chips... the kids at the rave had no ides what was coming...

Makes me so angry. sorry guys

It's 100% an intelligence lapse..especially that it happened on Bibis watch which is surprising to me..and you can bet that Hezbollah and probably Hamas terrorists have absolutely entered our country at the Southern Border..we will soon see the affects of our governments weaknesses and criminal greed..to gain a new voting block by leaving our borders wide open..we are going to pay a step price. We can expect to see the IDF to really start to hit back in Gaza within the next 48 hours or less..they will set things straight.

Lets hope but they cant even get their own people (hostages) back or protect their own borders. We'll see how much they actually "set straight".

[Henry VIII]

It's 100% an intelligence lapse..especially that it happened on Bibis watch which is surprising to me..and you can bet that Hezbollah and probably Hamas terrorists have absolutely entered our country at the Southern Border..we will soon see the affects of our governments weaknesses and criminal greed..to gain a new voting block by leaving our borders wide open..we are going to pay a step price. We can expect to see the IDF to really start to hit back in Gaza within the next 48 hours or less..they will set things straight.

Lets hope but they cant even get their own people (hostages) back or protect their own borders. We'll see how much they actually "set straight".

This is just getting started..and they have rescued some hostages already everything is very fluid right now..overall the Israelis have done a pretty good job protecting their citizens..you realize that they are in a constant state of war and they are completely surrounded by their sworn enemies. This wasn't just a single point of entry on their border. This was completely planned and staged months in advance this was carried out by trained terrorists. I'm not sure if any country could prevent a simultaneous or similar attack. There was a lot of coordination between Hamas.. Hezbollah and Iranian military. It seems you are predisposed to always disagree with everything and quite negative. Sit back and watch..they are already hitting the shit out of them.

[ocram23]

Lets hope but they cant even get their own people (hostages) back or protect their own borders. We'll see how much they actually "set straight".

This is just getting started..and they have rescued some hostages already everything is very fluid right now..overall the Israelis have done a pretty good job protecting their citizens..you realize that they are in a constant state of war and they are completely surrounded by their sworn enemies. This wasn't just a single point of entry on their border. This was completely planned and staged months in advance this was carried out by trained terrorists. I'm not sure if any country could prevent a simultaneous or similar attack. There was a lot of coordination between Hamas.. Hezbollah and Iranian military. It seems you are predisposed to always disagree with everything and quite negative. Sit back and watch..they are already hitting the shit out of them.

Israel is going to show no mercy. They are going to pummel them

[HellRam]

Lets hope but they cant even get their own people (hostages) back or protect their own borders. We'll see how much they actually "set straight".

This is just getting started..and they have rescued some hostages already everything is very fluid right now..overall the Israelis have done a pretty good job protecting their citizens..you realize that they are in a constant state of war and they are completely surrounded by their sworn enemies. This wasn't just a single point of entry on their border. This was completely planned and staged months in advance this was carried out by trained terrorists. I'm not sure if any country could prevent a simultaneous or similar attack. There was a lot of coordination between Hamas.. Hezbollah and Iranian military. It seems you are predisposed to always disagree with everything and quite negative. Sit back and watch..they are already hitting the shit out of them.

We'll see like I said. People on the right have a terrible habit of confusing thier wants with reality. The right has made a terrible habit of just assuming everything will work out because thats what they want to happen. Which breeds complacency. So call me negative or whatever. Personally,I think the world needs a lot more people like me who are willing to speak truth and demand accountability over just speaking feel good feelers rah rah bs that usually translates to nothing productive.


The fact this plan/attack was so big and coordinated. I think that makes it even worse regarding Isreal and the USA. That our intel agencies are so incompetent they couldn't see this coming. 9-11 was one thing. That was a very well planned small attack that created big destruction. Isreal should always be on alert like you said. Yet they we're not. So if anything the point you are trying to make is that much more damning.

Anouther angle is the west and Isreal is turning thier back on God. I dont know how religious you are. But some feel a period of suffering is needed to get closer to God again. There's many ways to look at this. But if you believe the in the bible. You might not get the outcomes you are always hoping for. The end days will be tuberlent.

[HellRam]

There are more questions then answers.

[HellRam]

I really recommend listening to the podcast in the link. Savage has been spot on with everything since the 90's. You'll get real substance, not msm nonsense and outdated talking points.

[Henry VIII]

This is just getting started..and they have rescued some hostages already everything is very fluid right now..overall the Israelis have done a pretty good job protecting their citizens..you realize that they are in a constant state of war and they are completely surrounded by their sworn enemies. This wasn't just a single point of entry on their border. This was completely planned and staged months in advance this was carried out by trained terrorists. I'm not sure if any country could prevent a simultaneous or similar attack. There was a lot of coordination between Hamas.. Hezbollah and Iranian military. It seems you are predisposed to always disagree with everything and quite negative. Sit back and watch..they are already hitting the shit out of them.

We'll see like I said. People on the right have a terrible habit of confusing thier wants with reality. The right has made a terrible habit of just assuming everything will work out because thats what they want to happen. Which breeds complacency. So call me negative or whatever. Personally,I think the world needs a lot more people like me who are willing to speak truth and demand accountability over just speaking feel good feelers rah rah bs that usually translates to nothing productive.


The fact this plan/attack was so big and coordinated. I think that makes it even worse regarding Isreal and the USA. That our intel agencies are so incompetent they couldn't see this coming. 9-11 was one thing. That was a very well planned small attack that created big destruction. Isreal should always be on alert like you said. Yet they we're not. So if anything the point you are trying to make is that much more damning.

Anouther angle is the west and Isreal is turning thier back on God. I dont know how religious you are. But some feel a period of suffering is needed to get closer to God again. There's many ways to look at this. But if you believe the in the bible. You might not get the outcomes you are always hoping for. The end days will be tuberlent.

[HellRam]

That alludes to much of what I've been saying on this board.

[ocram23]

and what is Biden doing during the attack he is having a BBQ on the white house lawn for his people. beyond clueless

[HellRam]

and what is Biden doing during the attack he is having a BBQ on the white house lawn for his people. beyond clueless

Not clueless at all! They were celebrating.

[ocram23]

and what is Biden doing during the attack he is having a BBQ on the white house lawn for his people. beyond clueless

Not clueless at all! They were celebrating.

whatever. you know exactly what I mean smartass

[Henry VIII]

Just more stupidity!

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/blm ... estinians/

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/378252

[HellRam]

Not clueless at all! They were celebrating.

whatever. you know exactly what I mean smartass

No, I don't. To me calling them clueless gives them a pass. I think evil is more appropriate. I mean I agree Biden is clueless because of his mental state. However, his administration knows what they are doing.

[HellRam]

Just more stupidity!

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/blm ... estinians/

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/378252

Par the course for where we are headed.

[ocram23]

whatever. you know exactly what I mean smartass

No, I don't. To me calling them clueless gives them a pass. I think evil is more appropriate. I mean I agree Biden is clueless because of his mental state. However, his administration knows what they are doing.

fair enough

[HellRam]

IDF is preparing for the ground attack. I really hope they take a no mercy approach. Really, Gaza should be stripped from Palestine.

[Henry VIII]

They have bombed the shit out Gaza! lots of damage!..but they definitely need soldiers to go street by street..door by door and do what is needed. The IDF will find this very difficult..because Hamas will be waiting for ground troops..they could change tactics and only bomb them to save Israeli soldiers..if they do go into Gaza this will definitely cost more lives on both sides..at least for the most part Israel isn't as sensitive to public outcry as much as America is..you damn well know for sure that Valerie Jarrett and Oblunder will put huge amounts of pressure on Biden to try to rein in Bibi and the IDF..and they usually are fairly successful because of the dependency Israel has for American $$ and military support. Hopefully the Israelis stay the course long enough to really make a difference this time around..you can't negotiate with a religious group of fanatics..they only understand power period. What is truly sad when this is all over you can bet if a democratic is in the WH we will rebuild this shit hole place just like we did in Germany and Japan..

[DelMar]

This is exactly why GAZA needs to be flattened and taken over completely. Turn it into a base for the army of Israel for all I care... Its one thing to fight soldiers, but when you prey on the young, woman and elderly... its a whole new ball game.

My brother has sent me videos/photos from his friends in Israel (as he does a lot of business w the Country). let me tell you, this is absolutely more real than we even know about.

When you come for babies, kids, woman and elderly... THE GLOVES ARE OFF

https://nypost.com/2023/10/11/the-faces ... slaughter/

Heartbreaking accounts are emerging of the scores of children who were taken captive by Hamas when the terrorist group unleashed its unprecedented assault over the weekend — and the innocent kids thought to be in the attackers’ hands are as young as 9 months old.

Loved ones in Israel and abroad are now scrambling for answers, and – in the wake of Hamas’ pledge to execute one hostage for every Israeli airstrike that hits a Gazan home – are begging the abductors to spare the youngest lives.

The terror group, meanwhile, claims to have stockpiled “dozens” of captives in “safe places and tunnels and resistance” over the border in Gaza, Hamas spokesperson Abu Obeid said in a Telegram post.

Below, are the stories of some of the youngest hostages who are believed to be in Hamas custody – and whose ultimate fates remain unknown.

[GlendoraRam]

To add, reports indicate the IDF has found over 60 beheaded bodies of infants and children.
And to think, we have people in power who sympathize with these sub-human animals.

[Henry VIII]

All I can say to Bernie Sanders, is a HUGE…. FUCK YOU!!!

https://nypost.com/2023/10/11/biden-ive ... in-israel/

[ocram23]

All I can say to Bernie Sanders, is a HUGE…. FUCK YOU!!!

https://nypost.com/2023/10/11/biden-ive ... in-israel/

AMEN I have always hated this mother'fer

[Henry VIII]

And you can add to the list of disgusting and sickness at Harvard University and a large % of their professor's..faculty and students..and damn near every other Liberal University in America..Trump is needed more than ever now. We had 4 years of peace..a strong economy and no damn new WARS! This whole thing can really go Hot and bring a lot of shit in our own backyard!

[Henry VIII]

And you can add to the list of disgusting and sickness at Harvard University and a large % of their professor's..faculty and students..and damn near every other Liberal University in America..Trump is needed more than ever now. We had 4 years of peace..a strong economy and no damn new WARS! This whole thing can really go Hot and bring a lot of shit in our own backyard!

With the southern border being completely open under this administration, you can bet your ass their are hundreds of these parasites already here.

[Henry VIII]

I think I will be staying home on Friday..just incase..I don't want to get caught on the Fwy by a "friendly group of protesting idiots"..you can take this threat as you see it..your mileage may vary. Stay safe..


Hamas Commander Mahmoud Al-Zahar Says, "The Entire Planet Will Be Under Our Law [Sharia]; There Will Be No More Jews Or Christian Traitors."




https://x.com/johnbasham/status/1712190 ... 3T9yO__Deg

[HellRam]

A lot of discussion on talk radio tonight about why Isreal and the west will not eliminate Hamas leadership. They know where they are and continue to do very little up to this point. They also critized the air strikes in Hamas claiming that most of the targets are empty buildings and for show. Since most of the terrorist war warned of the air strikes bofore they took place. Gaza also has a extensive tunnel system. Lots of discussions why Isreal has been so soft on Hamas over the years.

Obviously, its early in the process. I dont doubt the IDF will eventually eliminate most of the Hamas soldiers. But they've been very patient at this time. Not looking good for the hostages, unfortunately.

[Henry VIII]

You do know what a knock knock bomb or a roof knock is right?..and in prior missile attacks the IDF would actually call in advance to warn citizens to get out of the building before they bombed it..they have killed multiple senior Hamas leaders in the past few days..not a lot has happened on the ground yet..because they have had to call up in excess of 300k reservist they don't have very large standing army..and most of them are now being deployed to the border with Lebanon in case of Hezbollah decides to strike across their shared border.

[HellRam]

You do know what a knock knock bomb or a roof knock is right?..and in prior missile attacks the IDF would actually call in advance to warn citizens to get out of the building before they bombed it..they have killed multiple senior Hamas leaders in the past few days..not a lot has happened on the ground yet..because they have had to call up in excess of 300k reservist they don't have very large standing army..and most of them are now being deployed to the border with Lebanon in case of Hezbollah decides to strike across their shared border.

That's just it. If the citizens know of a "knock knock bomb". The word also works its way to Hamas. They didn't build tunnels for shit and giggles. I'm just going by reports. Not msm resports.

Regardless, they should have never been this ill-prepared to begin with.. The attack itself and to the extent it was all happened because of complacency and bureaucracy.

[Henry VIII]

You do know what a knock knock bomb or a roof knock is right?..and in prior missile attacks the IDF would actually call in advance to warn citizens to get out of the building before they bombed it..they have killed multiple senior Hamas leaders in the past few days..not a lot has happened on the ground yet..because they have had to call up in excess of 300k reservist they don't have very large standing army..and most of them are now being deployed to the border with Lebanon in case of Hezbollah decides to strike across their shared border.

That's just it. If the citizens know of a "knock knock bomb". The word also works its way to Hamas. They didn't build tunnels for shit and giggles. I'm just going by reports. Not msm resports.

Regardless, they should have never been this ill-prepared to begin with.. The attack itself and to the extent it was all happened because of complacency and bureaucracy.

But your reports are 100% accurate and aren't bogus only my MSM reports are right? Lol..Of course Hamas also would know what the roof knock knock is..but you hadn't heard about it until now..I didn't say Hamas wouldn't use these warnings..and your so called for show buildings aren't being blown up for shit and giggles either..its widely known they are also used as entry ways to the tunnels just like the Mexican Cartels use warehouses on our border ..and the Hamas tunneling goes directly under a lot of these buildings that are being destroyed and to think otherwise is foolish and navie..but according to your reports its for show ..the Gaza strip is so densely packed and built upon they can't just reroute expensive tunneling to go around existing buildings and structures. Yes this was a major failure on the Intelligence community as a whole..and it's quite likely to cost Bibi his position in leadership. It seems to me that you think I get my information from MSM and don't use any other means to gather knowledge..but your report gathering is the only viable and accurate measurement of information?..but this is just you being you..and you can't help yourself from being our resident troll..this is also widely reported around here.

It's estimated that Hamas spends in excess of a 100 million dollars building and tunneling.
The tunnels are normally dug by individual contractors from basements of houses..apartments or olive groves under the border at depths of up to 100 feet or more. In many cases, the owners of the houses enter into a business arrangement with the tunnel builders. They may receive a portion of the profits from the smuggling or some other sort of financial compensation from those who contract the tunnel construction. Many of the tunnels are of a generally high quality of engineering and construction including electricity, ventilation, intercoms, and a rail system. The openings to many tunnels are found within buildings in or around Gaza's southernmost city of Rafah.

[HellRam]

That's just it. If the citizens know of a "knock knock bomb". The word also works its way to Hamas. They didn't build tunnels for shit and giggles. I'm just going by reports. Not msm resports.

Regardless, they should have never been this ill-prepared to begin with.. The attack itself and to the extent it was all happened because of complacency and bureaucracy.

But your reports are 100% accurate and aren't bogus only my MSM reports are right? Lol..Of course Hamas also would know what the roof knock knock is..but you hadn't heard about it until now..I didn't say Hamas wouldn't use these warnings..and your so called for show buildings aren't being blown up for shit and giggles either..its widely known they are also used as entry ways to the tunnels just like the Mexican Cartels use warehouses on our border ..and the Hamas tunneling goes directly under a lot of these buildings that are being destroyed and to think otherwise is foolish and navie..but according to your reports its for show ..the Gaza strip is so densely packed and built upon they can't just reroute expensive tunneling to go around existing buildings and structures. Yes this was a major failure on the Intelligence community as a whole..and it's quite likely to cost Bibi his position in leadership. It seems to me that you think I get my information from MSM and don't use any other means to gather knowledge..but your report gathering is the only viable and accurate measurement of information?..but this is just you being you..and you can't help yourself from being our resident troll..this is also widely reported around here.

It's estimated that Hamas spends in excess of a 100 million dollars building and tunneling.
The tunnels are normally dug by individual contractors from basements of houses..apartments or olive groves under the border at depths of up to 100 feet or more. In many cases, the owners of the houses enter into a business arrangement with the tunnel builders. They may receive a portion of the profits from the smuggling or some other sort of financial compensation from those who contract the tunnel construction. Many of the tunnels are of a generally high quality of engineering and construction including electricity, ventilation, intercoms, and a rail system. The openings to many tunnels are found within buildings in or around Gaza's southernmost city of Rafah.

Meh.

I'm able to take the emotions out of it and just accept reality. And that reality is... it took major failures from many different branches of governments for this to happen. I get it. You're a pom pom waver. That's fine. I'm just not going to pretend everything is all good because that's what I want to believe. Nobody said the IDF won't make right of this wrong. But considering how soft Israel has been on terrorism in recent history. Some people are questioning why they are using the same tactics when stronger measures are required. It's a fair question. But yes I know anything that doesn't fit your narrative is "trolling". Classic stuff from you lol.

[Henry VIII]

But your reports are 100% accurate and aren't bogus only my MSM reports are right? Lol..Of course Hamas also would know what the roof knock knock is..but you hadn't heard about it until now..I didn't say Hamas wouldn't use these warnings..and your so called for show buildings aren't being blown up for shit and giggles either..its widely known they are also used as entry ways to the tunnels just like the Mexican Cartels use warehouses on our border ..and the Hamas tunneling goes directly under a lot of these buildings that are being destroyed and to think otherwise is foolish and navie..but according to your reports its for show ..the Gaza strip is so densely packed and built upon they can't just reroute expensive tunneling to go around existing buildings and structures. Yes this was a major failure on the Intelligence community as a whole..and it's quite likely to cost Bibi his position in leadership. It seems to me that you think I get my information from MSM and don't use any other means to gather knowledge..but your report gathering is the only viable and accurate measurement of information?..but this is just you being you..and you can't help yourself from being our resident troll..this is also widely reported around here.

It's estimated that Hamas spends in excess of a 100 million dollars building and tunneling.
The tunnels are normally dug by individual contractors from basements of houses..apartments or olive groves under the border at depths of up to 100 feet or more. In many cases, the owners of the houses enter into a business arrangement with the tunnel builders. They may receive a portion of the profits from the smuggling or some other sort of financial compensation from those who contract the tunnel construction. Many of the tunnels are of a generally high quality of engineering and construction including electricity, ventilation, intercoms, and a rail system. The openings to many tunnels are found within buildings in or around Gaza's southernmost city of Rafah.

Meh.

I'm able to take the emotions out of it and just accept reality. And that reality is... it took major failures from many different branches of governments for this to happen. I get it. You're a pom pom waver. That's fine. I'm just not going to pretend everything is all good because that's what I want to believe. Nobody said the IDF won't make right of this wrong. But considering how soft Israel has been on terrorism in recent history. Some people are questioning why they are using the same tactics when stronger measures are required. It's a fair question. But yes I know anything that doesn't fit your narrative is "trolling". Classic stuff from you lol.

More mish mash mumbo jumbo from you lol..after I pointed out facts..that your BS reports are saying are just for show..facts have nothing to do with one’s emotions lol..and yes you are the definition of a classic Troll ..that's been overwhelmingly obvious on here..others have pointed this out. But go have another beer to help with your hangover..with your back stabbing buddies I hear the bars up there open early.