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Did anyone listen to the post game comments made by McVay and Stafford?

McVay was reminded by the media that he ran the ball only 3 times in the 1st half. He kind of cringed and replied that yes, he realized that.

McVay was asked about the conversation that took place in the locker room at half time. He answered, what do you think? Again, with another cringe. McVay then said that he was talked out of doing what he wanted to do and let the players pin their pads back and go force the issue. This are not his exact words, but very close, so please go listen for yourself.

Stafford made comments that the players (him) talked at the half about running the ball. He said that he absolutely loved going in to the huddle and calling running plays.

It sounds like the players took the 2nd half away from McVay and got it done.

Just my take, so listen to McVay and Stafford on the podium and get backk to me.
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I mean if this is true, we absolutely have a problem at the Head Coach position. IF its true.
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I just read that at ROD . I will post the link here ( I hope it is ok upland ? ) . If it is not , sorry you can delete it or tell me and I will .

https://ramsondemand.com/threads/mcvay- ... ack.70164/

Full story : https://sports.yahoo.com/sean-mcvay-exp ... p_deeplink

Nice quote from Dotson in there:

After the game, Dotson told Adam Grosbard of the OC Register that he wants the Rams to lean on the run first before going to the pass when it doesn’t work.

“It’s the best. Because we as offensive linemen are getting tired, but, ‘Do it again,’ because we know that benefits the whole team if we can run it,” Dotson said. “I believe that should be our first option before we start passing, really test the run. Just see how they deal with it.”

Hopefully mcvay doesn't cut him or bench him after that .
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Now here is my take :

As we know , mcvay basically refuses to run against stacked boxes . If a team stacks the box for 60 minutes he will pass for 60 minutes and it doesn't matter how predictable he will be. Bottom line is he lets the defense dictates what he does which IMO , is terrible. That is what was happening yesterday . He said " people were talking HIM OUT of the run plays " . Maybe it was la fleur but maybe it was no one and that is just how he is . I don't know . We have seen him do this forever now , so I doubt it is la fleur's fault .

It seems either La fleur or the players got fed up with this shit at halftime and someone finally had the balls to tell him " look we either run the ball or we will lose " . And he finally listened to someone that is not his ego .

He needs to stop being a coward and understand that football is about imposing your will more than trying to be the smartest guy in the room . Sometimes the box is stacked and even THEN you can still run . IMPOSE YOUR WILL . I understand you gotta have the personnel to do it but it seems our O line can block well on running plays and KW is good enough to get chunk yards . KW was averaging 4.7 ypc even against the eagles that ranks #2 in rush defense. And even when you are averaging 1.5 ish yards per carry ( akers week 1 ) you still gotta run to keep defenses honest. Abandoning the run completely IS NEVER going to be a good strategy , just NEVER . " oh but they are stacking the box " . FUCK IT . YOU STILL NEED TO RUN . Simply put : every time he did this in his life , he lost the game . Should have learned by now . Actually should have learned a long time ago .

And yes , like brook said , if the play calling got so bad to the point that players had to took over half time adjustments and say to him : " WE NEED TO RUN " for him to finally do it , we have a BIG , ENORMOUS problem at the HC position . Shows to me that the guy is completely LOST and CLUELESS.

I am sure mcvay's soldiers will see it differently and it is all good , just that this is the way I SEE IT . I call it as I see it , always .
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brasilrams wrote: October 16th, 2023, 11:35 am Now here is my take :

As we know , mcvay basically refuses to run against stacked boxes . If a team stacks the box for 60 minutes he will pass for 60 minutes and it doesn't matter how predictable he will be. Bottom line is he lets the defense dictates what he does which IMO , is terrible. That is what was happening yesterday . He said " people were talking HIM OUT of the run plays " . Maybe it was la fleur but maybe it was no one and that is just how he is . I don't know . We have seen him do this forever now , so I doubt it is la fleur's fault .

It seems either La fleur or the players got fed up with this shit at halftime and someone finally had the balls to tell him " look we either run the ball or we will lose " . And he finally listened to someone that is not his ego .

He needs to stop being a coward and understand that football is about imposing your will more than trying to be the smartest guy in the room . Sometimes the box is stacked and even THEN you can still run . IMPOSE YOUR WILL . I understand you gotta have the personnel to do it but it seems our O line can block well on running plays and KW is good enough to get chunk yards . KW was averaging 4.7 ypc even against the eagles that ranks #2 in rush defense. And even when you are averaging 1.5 ish yards per carry ( akers week 1 ) you still gotta run to keep defenses honest. Abandoning the run completely IS NEVER going to be a good strategy , just NEVER . " oh but they are stacking the box " . FUCK IT . YOU STILL NEED TO RUN . Simply put : every time he did this in his life , he lost the game . Should have learned by now . Actually should have learned a long time ago .

And yes , like brook said , if the play calling got so bad to the point that players had to took over half time adjustments and said : " WE NEED TO RUN " for him to finally do it , we have a BIG , ENORMOUS problem at the HC position . Shows to me that the guy is completely LOST and CLUELESS. I am sure mcvay's soldiers will see it differently and it is all good , just that this is the way I SEE IT . I call it as I see it , always .
Same here brasil, guess we'll just have to take the slings and arrows from the McVay "see no evil" crew. Whatever 🤣

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BTW- When I said abandoning the run is NEVER a good strategy of course I meant under normal conditions . If you are losing by 23 points and there is 14:00 left in the 4th quarter then fuck it . PAss only . Same thing if you are down by 7 points with 1:10 left . In those cases , of course you should ditch the run . But those are different ( desperate) situations of course .
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brasilrams wrote: October 16th, 2023, 11:41 am BTW- When I said abandoning the run is NEVER a good strategy of course I meant under normal conditions . If you are losing by 23 points and there is 14:00 left in the 4th quarter then fuck it . PAss only . Same thing if you are down by 7 points with 1:10 left . In those cases , of course you should ditch the run . But those are different ( desperate) situations of course .
It's a good thing you mentioned that because there are a bunch of folks on here that would love to throw that back in your face when the situation arose. It's actually sad that you have to explain every single nuance to people.

"Gotcha" posters as the great Del Mar calls 'em.
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BrooklynRam74 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 11:45 am
brasilrams wrote: October 16th, 2023, 11:41 am BTW- When I said abandoning the run is NEVER a good strategy of course I meant under normal conditions . If you are losing by 23 points and there is 14:00 left in the 4th quarter then fuck it . PAss only . Same thing if you are down by 7 points with 1:10 left . In those cases , of course you should ditch the run . But those are different ( desperate) situations of course .
It's a good thing you mentioned that because there are a bunch of folks on here that would love to throw that back in your face when the situation arose. It's actually sad that you have to explain every single nuance to people.

"Gotcha: posters as the great Del Mar calls 'em.
yup , I was already predicting they could say stuff like " well what if you are down by 10 and there is 6 minutes left "

In that case you throw every time . here , you don't run and you as sure as hell also DON'T PUNT ! LOL :lol:
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BrooklynRam74 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 11:45 am
brasilrams wrote: October 16th, 2023, 11:41 am BTW- When I said abandoning the run is NEVER a good strategy of course I meant under normal conditions . If you are losing by 23 points and there is 14:00 left in the 4th quarter then fuck it . PAss only . Same thing if you are down by 7 points with 1:10 left . In those cases , of course you should ditch the run . But those are different ( desperate) situations of course .
It's a good thing you mentioned that because there are a bunch of folks on here that would love to throw that back in your face when the situation arose. It's actually sad that you have to explain every single nuance to people.

"Gotcha: posters as the great Del Mar calls 'em.
McVay ain't even that bad of a coach. Id take him over people like chip kelly that's for sure.
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I thought I even saw some 2 TE sets in there? He ...or they...or whoever...made some real solid effort to pound the rock, and it worked. We need to continue and add more blockers against a better defense. It opens up everything. I was gonna post how I cannot remember the last big run play (over 20 yards), which is sad. Yesterday was a sight to see. And that stiff arm by KW....they wanted it. McVay better learn.
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RAMFAN71 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 12:12 pm I thought I even saw some 2 TE sets in there? He ...or they...or whoever...made some real solid effort to pound the rock, and it worked. We need to continue and add more blockers against a better defense. It opens up everything. I was gonna post how I cannot remember the last big run play (over 20 yards), which is sad. Yesterday was a sight to see. And that stiff arm by KW....they wanted it. McVay better learn.
Exactly . They wanted to get physical , to play smash mouth . Mcvay better learn this time . If he doesn't , I am afraid he never will .
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Let’s be clear: Anybody in that locker room would agree that running isn’t always the most efficient play, especially with a quarterback who can make any throw. It’s also not just about deciding to run the ball, it’s also about executing with precision in blocks, with tenacity and strain, with pure meanness and ill intent toward the guys on the other side of the line of scrimmage. Often, yes, it’s more productive to pass. But sometimes, it’s about forcing the issue at that line of scrimmage — asserting an identity even if the defense is daring you otherwise.

“All the credit to Sean, just coming out there and trusting us, and trusting our backs — because our backs were making the right cuts and getting after it,” Havenstein said. “A chance to get out there and set your pads, truly, and not really let what they were doing affect what we wanted to do. I think that was illustrated in that first drive.” :ugeek:


https://theathletic.com/4965300/2023/10 ... ed-article
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Cornell29 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 1:32 pm
This basically confirms it was all the players idea to run the ball. Probably won't be long before our Coach goes completely off the deep end.
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BrooklynRam74 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 1:35 pm
Cornell29 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 1:32 pm
This basically confirms it was all the players idea to run the ball. Probably won't be long before our Coach goes completely off the deep end.
Not sure

Nothing specific is said. With that said, even if the players talked Mcvay into it, at least we know that Mcvay isn't too stubborn. He is willing to listen to his players.
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Well it is gonna be up to the players now to tell sean " stop being a coward and let us RUN the ball and play some smash mouth football " . Everytime he pulls that crap he pulled in the first half and tons of other times this season .

I don't like that it needed to get to this point for him to understand what seems to be a basic football rule to win games . I don't like it at all . Maybe it won't get to this point from here and on , maybe he understood the message the players sent him and this won't be needed any more . IF you are a HC and you need the players to tell you what to do ....well ...then you are not very good at your job.
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Cornell29 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 1:46 pm
BrooklynRam74 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 1:35 pm

This basically confirms it was all the players idea to run the ball. Probably won't be long before our Coach goes completely off the deep end.
Not sure

Nothing specific is said. With that said, even if the players talked Mcvay into it, at least we know that Mcvay isn't too stubborn. He is willing to listen to his players.
the fact that he listened is very good indeed , I agree..... but the fact that, TO CHANGE, he needed the players to tell him what was so obvious to any human with half a brain , is actually very worrisome . Mcvay seems like a good leader so I don't think this actually might make him lose the locker room , but it is stuff like that that usually does it . When you need your players to tell you that you are doing it the wrong way..... it means they will probably lose faith in you . but like I said , I don't think it is going to be the case here because mcvay seems like a very good leader.
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The players didn’t take anything away from McVay and if something did take place at the half it was them suggesting something to him and him listening. This team doesn’t have a damn “problem”……….

Why does everything in here have to have a “drama/national enquirer” spin………
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BrooklynRam74 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 1:35 pm
Cornell29 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 1:32 pm
This basically confirms it was all the players idea to run the ball. Probably won't be long before our Coach goes completely off the deep end.
Really Mike? Seriously?

You would have thought you would have learned from previous comments………
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NorCal RF wrote: October 16th, 2023, 1:53 pm The players didn’t take anything away from McVay and if something did take place at the half it was them suggesting something to him and him listening. This team doesn’t have a damn “problem”……….

Why does everything in here have to have a “drama/national enquirer” spin………
It's this board.

Team has surpassed expectations for the season. Many predicted the rams will be in contention for the number 1 overall draft pick, and still a overall negative tone. Everything is looked at as glass half empty rather then full.

Fans are passionate.

The way this season is going, I'm good. This is a retooling year and the rams are playing competitive football, draft picks and young guys are playing well, star players are all healthy and playing well, rams have a boatload of money next year to spend and all of their high picks.

Rams just might make the playoffs. Wow. Rams were rated one of the worst 5 rosters in football by various talking heads and fans and the rams still might make the playoffs.

I'm good

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Cornell29 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 2:00 pm
NorCal RF wrote: October 16th, 2023, 1:53 pm The players didn’t take anything away from McVay and if something did take place at the half it was them suggesting something to him and him listening. This team doesn’t have a damn “problem”……….

Why does everything in here have to have a “drama/national enquirer” spin………
It's this board.

Team has surpassed expectations for the season. Many predicted the rams will be in contention for the number 1 overall draft pick, and still a overall negative tone. Everything is looked at as glass half empty rather then full.

Fans are passionate.

The way this season is going, I'm good. This is a retooling year and the rams are playing competitive football, draft picks and young guys are playing well, star players are all healthy and playing well, rams have a boatload of money next year to spend and all of their high picks.

Rams just might make the playoffs. Wow. Rams were rated one of the worst 5 rosters in football by various talking heads and fans and the rams still might make the playoffs.

I'm good

8-)
Agree with all…….

None more so than “it this board”. The week to week suffocation of everything has to be drama in here……..

Oh I forgot it’s their opinion you don’t have to post……..

This team expected to do nothing by most could actually be 6-0 right now. They have been in every game……….
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Cornell29 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 2:00 pm
NorCal RF wrote: October 16th, 2023, 1:53 pm The players didn’t take anything away from McVay and if something did take place at the half it was them suggesting something to him and him listening. This team doesn’t have a damn “problem”……….

Why does everything in here have to have a “drama/national enquirer” spin………
It's this board.

Team has surpassed expectations for the season. Many predicted the rams will be in contention for the number 1 overall draft pick, and still a overall negative tone. Everything is looked at as glass half empty rather then full.

Fans are passionate.

The way this season is going, I'm good. This is a retooling year and the rams are playing competitive football, draft picks and young guys are playing well, star players are all healthy and playing well, rams have a boatload of money next year to spend and all of their high picks.

Rams just might make the playoffs. Wow. Rams were rated one of the worst 5 rosters in football by various talking heads and fans and the rams still might make the playoffs.

I'm good

8-)
Good take C29...

I will say, I was really caught off guard with the Seattle game. Then, reality set in.

I am the same way this season... as I have stated many times. Let's get our young guys ready for seasons to come.

McVay, Staff and the entire team has had issues. But, we must remember, there is a new guy or rookies involved in many of these plays, therefore mistakes will continue to happen until our young pups mature.
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Well, listening to both McVay and Stafford’s statements, McVay was talked out of continuing the pass game. I’m very surprised that he admitted that at all, but am very pleased that he adjusted after some fallout. Stafford was especially pleased at this, as he said in his comments.

Hopefully a better balanced game plan is in store for next week.
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So, in other words, the players wrested the jaws of defeat from the hands of the Head Coach. But we CANT criticize McVay because, you know, Linehan, Spagnuolo, Fisher.
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Cornell29 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 2:00 pm
NorCal RF wrote: October 16th, 2023, 1:53 pm The players didn’t take anything away from McVay and if something did take place at the half it was them suggesting something to him and him listening. This team doesn’t have a damn “problem”……….

Why does everything in here have to have a “drama/national enquirer” spin………
It's this board.

Team has surpassed expectations for the season. Many predicted the rams will be in contention for the number 1 overall draft pick, and still a overall negative tone. Everything is looked at as glass half empty rather then full.

Fans are passionate.

The way this season is going, I'm good. This is a retooling year and the rams are playing competitive football, draft picks and young guys are playing well, star players are all healthy and playing well, rams have a boatload of money next year to spend and all of their high picks.

Rams just might make the playoffs. Wow. Rams were rated one of the worst 5 rosters in football by various talking heads and fans and the rams still might make the playoffs.

I'm good

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I disagree. It is not "just this board " . People at ROD and even the media bashed the crap out of mcvay for his play calling this season in many games . Even the media called him out big time like never before ( you were the one that pointed this out ) . So how is that it "is this board only ? "

And speaking for me , I am not passionate , quite the opposite . Always rational .

And about the negative tone , for me , it is because they showed the potential do be MORE than what they are for now . Potential that is being hampered by the HC's mistakes and play calling . Look , I fully expected the defense to be really bad this year and it is not . KUDOS to Morris and I also changed my tune on him . I used to hate the guy now I think he is actually doing a decent job . My issue is with mcvay and the way he runs the offense ( which I actually expected to by good ) . I fully believe his way and his play calling are not HELPING this team win in many cases. Simple as that . We should have ONE more win in the column, against the bengals if he called a better game, maybe if he ran the ball against the eagles in the second half , the offense would have a chance .

Now in week 6 , If the players don't force him to adjust at half time maybe he would pass pass pass again even thought it was clearly not working , maybe we would lose to AZ . Credit this win to the players for calling him out on his stupid approach at halftime . But my point is , it shouldn't have to get to this point . A HC will make the adjustments needed without his players having to tell him what to do .

So , I expected a bad team , they come out and showed they can be GOOD as long as the HC calls a decent game , and then , the HC doesn't do it anymore . I am supposed to be happy because they are doing better than what I thought they would ? That is not how it works for me . I am actually pissed because the limitations that I see for now , regards bad play calling and bad scheme , not a lack of talent . I wouldn't mind losing because we are lacking talent but for sure I HATE losing because our HC refuses to run the ball and punts , when down by 10 points with 6 minutes left in the game .
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BrooklynRam74 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 3:49 pm So, in other words, the players wrested the jaws of defeat from the hands of the Head Coach. But we CANT criticize McVay because, you know, Linehan, Spagnuolo, Fisher.
lol exactly . Just what I said. Players seized control from the HC to actually WIN the game . That is a great HC right there.
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brasilrams wrote: October 16th, 2023, 4:00 pm
Cornell29 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 2:00 pm
It's this board.

Team has surpassed expectations for the season. Many predicted the rams will be in contention for the number 1 overall draft pick, and still a overall negative tone. Everything is looked at as glass half empty rather then full.

Fans are passionate.

The way this season is going, I'm good. This is a retooling year and the rams are playing competitive football, draft picks and young guys are playing well, star players are all healthy and playing well, rams have a boatload of money next year to spend and all of their high picks.

Rams just might make the playoffs. Wow. Rams were rated one of the worst 5 rosters in football by various talking heads and fans and the rams still might make the playoffs.

I'm good

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I disagree. It is not "just this board " . People at ROD and even the media bashed the crap out of mcvay for his play calling this season in many games . Even the media called him out big time like never before ( you were the one that pointed this out ) . So how is that it "is this board only ? "

And speaking for me , I am not passionate , quite the opposite . Always rational .

And about the negative tone , for me , it is because they showed the potential do be MORE than what they are for now . Potential that is being hampered by the HC's mistakes and play calling . Look , I fully expected the defense to be really bad this year and it is not . KUDOS to Morris and I also changed my tune on him . I used to hate the guy now I think he is actually doing a decent job . My issue is with mcvay and the way he runs the offense ( which I actually expected to by good ) . I fully believe his way and his play calling are not HELPING this team win in many cases. Simple as that . We should have ONE more win the column against the bengals if he called a better game . If the players don't force him to adjust at half time maybe he would pass pass pass again even thought it was clearly not working , maybe we would lose to AZ . Credit this win to the players for calling him out on his stupid approach at halftime .

So , I expected a bad team , they come out and showed they can be GOOD as long as the HC calls a decent game , and then , the HC doesn't do it anymore . I am supposed to be happy because they are doing better than what I thought they would ? That is not how it works for me . I am actually pissed because the limitations that I see for now , regards bad play calling and bad scheme , not a lack of talent . I wouldn't mind losing because we are lacking talent but for sure I HATE losing because our HC refuses to run the ball and punts , when down by 10 points with 6 minutes left in the game .
While Mcvay has his moments of bad playcalling. (Mcvay never been a good play caller but still been very successful and won a SB)

Mcvay has coached a below talented team to 3-3. Which many didn't think was possible because the team was just a bunch of JAGS. Mcvay coached and has this bunch of JAGS at .500 and in tbe playoffs race. Impressive imo

Rams are set up nicely for their run in 2024. Even the Frint Office and Draft room is producing.
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brasilrams wrote: October 16th, 2023, 4:02 pm
BrooklynRam74 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 3:49 pm So, in other words, the players wrested the jaws of defeat from the hands of the Head Coach. But we CANT criticize McVay because, you know, Linehan, Spagnuolo, Fisher.
lol exactly . Just what I said. Players seized control from the HC to actually WIN the game . That is a great HC right there.
Yes. According to NorCal we won the game, thus no criticizing of the Head Coach. Even though it's the PLAYERS that won the game the Head Coach would have LOST. Seems reasonable.

Also, I should have checked with the all-knowing before I opined that we should look into Derrick Henry if the price is right. Daddy didn't give a reason but he did give a resounding no. Respect your Dictator!
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BrooklynRam74 wrote: October 16th, 2023, 3:49 pm So, in other words, the players wrested the jaws of defeat from the hands of the Head Coach. But we CANT criticize McVay because, you know, Linehan, Spagnuolo, Fisher.
You left off SB ring, 2 NFC Championships, having 5 out of 6 winning seasons and being one of the winnest coaches in football.


With that said, criticize away. I have no issue with people criticizing Mcvay. I dont call people names or insult them etc. I just state my opinion, nothing more. Like I said, I'm good

Like I said, Mcvay has never been a good play caller, but he is a winner. Despite him being a average play caller, he gets guys to play hard for him and believe in themselves. He gets guys to buy into the we mindset and if they don't, they are gone.

Mcvay is a winner
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