Los Angeles Fans Are Animals

[BrooklynRam74]

Let me be clear, I don't think Stan did anything wrong legally when it came to St Louis. (Was fighting side by side WITH YOU Nor on the STL board) I just don't think in general he's nice to ordinary citizens. Doesn't strike me as a "nice guy." And, rightly or wrongly, and I don't have proof of this, I get the sense he cheaps out on certain things under his umbrella, one of them being Stadium Security. Also feel he cheaped out on his playing surface at SoFi.

I certainly did battle a few over there under a different forum handle during that time……

I don’t have an opinion on whether he is cheap in general or a “nice guy”. I just know, as I have stated before, I had a really solid go to during that time who was very indirectly involved with the NFL as it relates to the early years in Europe. Kroenke’s intent was to never leave St. Louis. His intent was to continue to get what he wanted within that contract and was not going to be told otherwise. He knew that contract was binding and no NFL clause stating “if an alternative option was available in that current NFL city” was ever going to hold up in court. Again I applaud his vision on knowing exactly what may take place 20 years later with St. Louis and made sure that contract covered that possible vision. And as stated before none of it was their fans fault. They were a damn good fan base. But yes their anger has and should be only at the leadership at that time in St.Louis……….

The one thing I do still think about is the entire owner voter approval in January of 2016. Why is because I knew in August of 2015 they were coming back to LA from Rams employees at that time. They knew they were moving to LA as early as 8/2015. I think that entire owner approval vote 6 months later was a complete front/farce.

Yes, I remember knowing via my contacts it was a done deal around that time too. The whole thing was a farce the way they made it seem like he was trailing early on in the voting process. Makes you wonder what the government rigs.

[NorCal RF]

The one thing I do still think about is the entire owner voter approval in January of 2016. Why is because I knew in August of 2015 they were coming back to LA from Rams employees at that time. They knew they were moving to LA as early as 8/2015. I think that entire owner approval vote 6 months later was a complete front/farce.

NC, I think that owner approval process and meetings was to appease Spanos. Bottomline.

That moron stood on his hill and yelled to the mountain tops that LA was his.

Which is wasn't...

So the NFL had to do an about face thing, and make everyone happy.

The issue was, Spanos had tried to move to LA for years, but he HAD/HAS NO MONEY... and the other owners did not want to support Spanos or watch him burn LA to the ground. Sorry, but LA market was out of Spano's grasp.

So when Kronk went for it, everyone said... OK, now the move to LA is serious, this dude is loaded w cash, and he will make us all a money now... So they prob sat back and said 'how in the hell can we make both owners happy here'...

This is just my opinion, but it makes sense because Spanos was a child in the process

And I agree………

We won’t ever know but I don’t think that vote in 1/2016 had any merit at all. They knew Kroenke was given the approval to go months before because even without it he was relocating. And like I said I am 100% certain some staff knew in 8/2015 based on conversation I heard from them with my own ears one evening in Oakland. They were just asking each other if individually if each had made their own decision yet to go to LA with team………

[ocram23]

all it is going to take is someone to get really hurt and they are going to sue old Stan and he won't like it. Granted he is worth so much money won't even affect him

Stan cant get sued for it, I mean anyone can get sued.. but it will be dismissed.

First of all, their insurance is enormous enough for coverage. And if you ever read your tickets, it basically is a huge disclaimer from the Rams stating you watch the games at your own risk. You can however sue the person that punched you. And you could even sue the security company MAYBE... but Stan is untouchable.

The only way it could hurt Stan really is in the public eye, so he most likely would have his team settle it while also stating the Rams were not at fault.

If the Rams and security follow all policy and procedures, laws and what the city and state have approved, then you can only go after the party you were involved with.

Its like this on planes, concerts and other public outings... I see this at times in my line of work. It is truly crazy if you ever read the rules and guidelines on a ticket to an event, it's actually mind boggling.

Tell that to the Dodgers who had to pay Brian Stow $18M for lack of security when he got beat up by the Dodger fan. It's a drop in the bucket for Stan I get that but the last thing he wants is to have that label that it is unsafe to go to a Rams game and especially with families. They have to do a better job that is all

[Raminec]

Drunk people trying to fight isn’t exclusive to SoFi. Get 70,000 people together and serve them booze and there will be some trying to prove they were tough guys and recently girls. I don’t think it’s humanly possible to have enough security at a stadium with that many people. Unfortunately this isn’t a new thing it’s been happening for years. And it happens in every NFL stadium.

[Utah Rams Fan]

I don’t see any Los Angeles fans here at all. I see San Diego and Dallas fans here and not one LA fan in sight.

[BrooklynRam74]

I don’t see and Los Angeles fans here at all. I see San Diego and Dallas fans here and not one LA fan in sight.

The thread didn't say "Ram fans." More meant for fans FROM Los Angeles, which the majority of these SoFi brawls PROBABLY are.

[BrooklynRam74]

Fights happen at every stadium. The thing is, everyone here in LA loves their cell phones and to record things and post those incidents online. It’s just not at sporting events. We have all seen the smash and grab robberies, the brazen mass shoplifting. It is the result of lack of law enforcement. It is happening every every major city that is run by a certain political party. The enablers.
https://ktla.com/news/california/49ers- ... s-stadium/

[DelMar]

Stan cant get sued for it, I mean anyone can get sued.. but it will be dismissed.

First of all, their insurance is enormous enough for coverage. And if you ever read your tickets, it basically is a huge disclaimer from the Rams stating you watch the games at your own risk. You can however sue the person that punched you. And you could even sue the security company MAYBE... but Stan is untouchable.

The only way it could hurt Stan really is in the public eye, so he most likely would have his team settle it while also stating the Rams were not at fault.

If the Rams and security follow all policy and procedures, laws and what the city and state have approved, then you can only go after the party you were involved with.

Its like this on planes, concerts and other public outings... I see this at times in my line of work. It is truly crazy if you ever read the rules and guidelines on a ticket to an event, it's actually mind boggling.

Tell that to the Dodgers who had to pay Brian Stow $18M for lack of security when he got beat up by the Dodger fan. It's a drop in the bucket for Stan I get that but the last thing he wants is to have that label that it is unsafe to go to a Rams game and especially with families. They have to do a better job that is all

Wasn’t he jumped in the parking lot? Parking lots are nuts during games. Every game I’ve gone to, there is security all over… but to have them cover an entire parking lot every second is impossible. Security not only covers the panrking lot, but inside and just outside the stadium. Thousands.

No matter what OC, it’s impossible to cover the entire grounds every second. Fights last a few seconds usually…

Sometime security lapse or can’t cover every square inch, therefore teams will settle. That’s what the dodgers did to make it go away.

[Utah Rams Fan]

I don’t see and Los Angeles fans here at all. I see San Diego and Dallas fans here and not one LA fan in sight.

The thread didn't say "Ram fans." More meant for fans FROM Los Angeles, which the majority of these SoFi brawls PROBABLY are.

My point is that these are San Diego fans, not LA fans. I never said Rams fans.

[BrooklynRam74]

The thread didn't say "Ram fans." More meant for fans FROM Los Angeles, which the majority of these SoFi brawls PROBABLY are.

My point is that these are San Diego fans, not LA fans. I never said Rams fans.

You think all those Charger fans drive up from San Diego? Didn't they say "F" the Chargers basically when they left? Anyway, way too many fights at Sofi in my opinion to not be heavily accounted for by Angelenos. But what do I know?

[Rampager66]

You got so many fans coming in with the visitors, many times outnumbering the home fans... Never the case in places like Philly, Dallas, SF and a few others... You usually get shouted down in those places...
What's happening in SoFi is similar to the "firm" thing that goes on in English Football! They travel with the "sides" and there's brawls in the pubs all the time and sometimes in the stands.
Rams fans want that sh^t to stop, then stop selling your tickets for profit and go to the games and be the vast majority like the teams above. They have fewer incidents because they don't fight with each other...

[ocram23]

Tell that to the Dodgers who had to pay Brian Stow $18M for lack of security when he got beat up by the Dodger fan. It's a drop in the bucket for Stan I get that but the last thing he wants is to have that label that it is unsafe to go to a Rams game and especially with families. They have to do a better job that is all

Wasn’t he jumped in the parking lot? Parking lots are nuts during games. Every game I’ve gone to, there is security all over… but to have them cover an entire parking lot every second is impossible. Security not only covers the panrking lot, but inside and just outside the stadium. Thousands.

No matter what OC, it’s impossible to cover the entire grounds every second. Fights last a few seconds usually…

Sometime security lapse or can’t cover every square inch, therefore teams will settle. That’s what the dodgers did to make it go away.

the reason I say this because if you watch the fights at SoFi in the stands you don't see security for a while. the sophisticated equipment they have now they should be there quick and they are not. I think it goes back to Stan not having enough security personnel

[DelMar]

Wasn’t he jumped in the parking lot? Parking lots are nuts during games. Every game I’ve gone to, there is security all over… but to have them cover an entire parking lot every second is impossible. Security not only covers the panrking lot, but inside and just outside the stadium. Thousands.

No matter what OC, it’s impossible to cover the entire grounds every second. Fights last a few seconds usually…

Sometime security lapse or can’t cover every square inch, therefore teams will settle. That’s what the dodgers did to make it go away.

the reason I say this because if you watch the fights at SoFi in the stands you don't see security for a while. the sophisticated equipment they have now they should be there quick and they are not. I think it goes back to Stan not having enough security personnel

I agree, but you have to look at all stadiums, and it's pretty much the same everywhere. How many fights have seen in the stands around the league as whole this season, where they got pretty bad.

My point is, its just not a SoFi issue...

Also, there has always been fights... but we just see it more now because of social media.

[BrooklynRam74]

the reason I say this because if you watch the fights at SoFi in the stands you don't see security for a while. the sophisticated equipment they have now they should be there quick and they are not. I think it goes back to Stan not having enough security personnel

I agree, but you have to look at all stadiums, and it's pretty much the same everywhere. How many fights have seen in the stands around the league as whole this season, where they got pretty bad.

My point is, its just not a SoFi issue...

No its definitely not JUST a SoFi issue Del. Just for some reason my perception is that the majority of them have come at SoFi. But I could definitely be wrong. My thread title is an exaggeration. Shouldn't have put it. Glendora, feel free to change

[ocram23]

the reason I say this because if you watch the fights at SoFi in the stands you don't see security for a while. the sophisticated equipment they have now they should be there quick and they are not. I think it goes back to Stan not having enough security personnel

I agree, but you have to look at all stadiums, and it's pretty much the same everywhere. How many fights have seen in the stands around the league as whole this season, where they got pretty bad.

My point is, its just not a SoFi issue...

Also, there has always been fights... but we just see it more now because of social media.

I think the fights have gotten much worse. I grew up going to the coliseum and it was never this bad now. Seems like way more thugs going to the games and add booze and it is the perfect equation for violence. And the fights now there are a lot of women fighting which you never saw in the past.

[DelMar]

I agree, but you have to look at all stadiums, and it's pretty much the same everywhere. How many fights have seen in the stands around the league as whole this season, where they got pretty bad.

My point is, its just not a SoFi issue...

No its definitely not JUST a SoFi issue Del. Just for some reason my perception is that the majority of them have come at SoFi. But I could definitely be wrong. My thread title is an exaggeration. Shouldn't have put it. Glendora, feel free to change

Well, I mean we do eat, breathe and sleep all things Rams.. so any time we hear or see Sofi, we pay more attention to it maybe

[DelMar]

I agree, but you have to look at all stadiums, and it's pretty much the same everywhere. How many fights have seen in the stands around the league as whole this season, where they got pretty bad.

My point is, its just not a SoFi issue...

Also, there has always been fights... but we just see it more now because of social media.

I think the fights have gotten much worse. I grew up going to the coliseum and it was never this bad now. Seems like way more thugs going to the games and add booze and it is the perfect equation for violence. And the fights now there are a lot of women fighting which you never saw in the past.

I think that is the general fall of our society as a whole. Criminals are not going to jail, nor even pay fines much anymore. Police cant even do their jobs anymore. Whats the point one cop told me, they just get out an hour and go to it again and again.. Shoot, there was a guy here a couple months back that got arrested 5 times in a 24 hour period in LA!

We have lost common curtousy and decency in this County OC, as we have discussed a ton in off topic.

The Country AND World s falling apart.

Being a Christian, I do believe we are close to the end of days.

[ocram23]

I think the fights have gotten much worse. I grew up going to the coliseum and it was never this bad now. Seems like way more thugs going to the games and add booze and it is the perfect equation for violence. And the fights now there are a lot of women fighting which you never saw in the past.

I think that is the general fall of our society as a whole. Criminals are not going to jail, nor even pay fines much anymore. Police cant even do their jobs anymore. Whats the point one cop told me, they just get out an hour and go to it again and again.. Shoot, there was a guy here a couple months back that got arrested 5 times in a 24 hour period in LA!

We have lost common curtousy and decency in this County OC, as we have discussed a ton in off topic.

The Country AND World s falling apart.

Being a Christian, I do believe we are close to the end of days.

I agree we as a society are spiraling downwards. civil unrest is coming

[Raminec]

I think that is the general fall of our society as a whole. Criminals are not going to jail, nor even pay fines much anymore. Police cant even do their jobs anymore. Whats the point one cop told me, they just get out an hour and go to it again and again.. Shoot, there was a guy here a couple months back that got arrested 5 times in a 24 hour period in LA!

We have lost common curtousy and decency in this County OC, as we have discussed a ton in off topic.

The Country AND World s falling apart.

Being a Christian, I do believe we are close to the end of days.

I agree we as a society are spiraling downwards. civil unrest is coming

Boy this quickly turned to the doom and gloom thread.

[DelMar]

I agree we as a society are spiraling downwards. civil unrest is coming

Boy this quickly turned to the doom and gloom thread.

Really Raminec?

I mean really?

You mean the title of this thread wasnt the doom and gloom, enough?

So, Just when our state of America is brought up its THEN doom and gloom... which I agree, it is not looking pretty these days. But this entire thread is doomy w a side of gloomy

[Raminec]

Boy this quickly turned to the doom and gloom thread.

Really Raminec?

I mean really?

You mean the title of this thread wasnt the doom and gloom, enough?

So, Just when our state of America is brought up its THEN doom and gloom... which I agree, it is not looking pretty these days. But this entire thread is doomy w a side of gloomy

Sorry but I have a much more optimistic outlook.

You're definitely are entitled to your own outlook.

Now back to Rams Football!

[DelMar]

Really Raminec?

I mean really?

You mean the title of this thread wasnt the doom and gloom, enough?

So, Just when our state of America is brought up its THEN doom and gloom... which I agree, it is not looking pretty these days. But this entire thread is doomy w a side of gloomy

Sorry but I have a much more optimistic outlook.

You're definitely are entitled to your own outlook.

Now back to Rams Football!

Not everyone lives in relaxing, nice and well ran state such as Florida. like some people I know...

but yep..

Back to Rams football sugar britches

[ocram23]

I agree we as a society are spiraling downwards. civil unrest is coming

Boy this quickly turned to the doom and gloom thread.

haha....ok back to football

[Truth]

Downtown St Louis would be even worse for the Rams. That city is run down and thugged out far worse than the SOFI area

[Davidramsfan]

I went to several Ram games in St Louis in the late 90’s and early 2000 years and not once did I ever see a fight !! The people in the Midwest are kind and courteous and even though you might see a lot of enthusiasm there was always respect! I won’t go to a game in San Francisco, Oakland ( now Vegas) or so Fi because these people who have no lives get plenty drunken up for these games so that they can be somebody special on game day!!! Folks like us with kids or grandkids don’t get to enjoy the games because of these assholes! I like yo drink but I could very easily go three hours at the game without it! The owners want the income so as long as fans are going to the games there will be alcohol!

[ocram23]

I went to several Ram games in St Louis in the late 90’s and early 2000 years and not once did I ever see a fight !! The people in the Midwest are kind and courteous and even though you might see a lot of enthusiasm there was always respect! I won’t go to a game in San Francisco, Oakland ( now Vegas) or so Fi because these people who have no lives get plenty drunken up for these games so that they can be somebody special on game day!!! Folks like us with kids or grandkids don’t get to enjoy the games because of these assholes! I like yo drink but I could very easily go three hours at the game without it! The owners want the income so as long as fans are going to the games there will be alcohol!

well said

[Rampager66]

Goes on everywhere

[Rampager66]

Goes on everywhere

Isn't that a Giants game in New York?
Right after the resident Ram fan from Brooklynn just spent a few days singling out you LA based fans for your behavior.
Too funny!

[Utah Rams Fan]

My point is that these are San Diego fans, not LA fans. I never said Rams fans.

You think all those Charger fans drive up from San Diego? Didn't they say "F" the Chargers basically when they left? Anyway, way too many fights at Sofi in my opinion to not be heavily accounted for by Angelenos. But what do I know?

I don’t recognize the Chargers as LA

[BrooklynRam74]

You think all those Charger fans drive up from San Diego? Didn't they say "F" the Chargers basically when they left? Anyway, way too many fights at Sofi in my opinion to not be heavily accounted for by Angelenos. But what do I know?

I don’t recognize the Chargers as LA

Neither do San Diegans. Hence those are Los Angeles citizens throwing down at Charger games.