Chase Young to SF for a 3rd unbelievable!

[malibu]

Great deal for SF. Eric Armstead and Bosa what a DL.

What is Wash doing letting both Sweat and Young go. They may have gotten more draft picks but in 5he case of Young it will be in the back of the 3rd so essentially it's a 4th. The Sweat trade is way better because Chicago will be drafting in the top of the second that is around almost 60 picks higher that is night and day.

SF is in the win now but their achiles heel is Pudy I contend they won't win a SB with him. You can put a ton of talent around him but without a stellar QB like Stafford was for us in 2021 you aren't orchestrating a late comeback.

[Cornell29]

The reports are he has a knee issue that can be longterm. Any trade will be for a short term rental unless you feel comfortable giving a longterm big money deal to a guy who could have knee issues throughout his career.

I'm good, I don't want a Short term rental and I don't want to sign another guy with knee issues to a big money long term deal.

Makes sense for the niners they are trying to win this year.

Even the Bears preferred to give up more for Sweat bc they are fine with giving him a longterm deal. Giving Young a longterm deal is too big of a risk for them too.

[RAMFAN71]

Hope you are right. But remember when the Ravens won? that SB vs Giants pitted Trent Dilfer vs Kerry Collins....oof.

Or Bucs vs Raiders? Brad Johnson vs Rich Gannon.

[CierraRam]

The reports are he has a knee issue that can be longterm. Any trade will be for a short term rental unless you feel comfortable giving a longterm big money deal to a guy who could have knee issues throughout his career.

I'm good, I don't want a Short term rental and I don't want to sign another guy with knee issues to a big money long term deal.

Makes sense for the niners they are trying to win this year.

Even the Bears preferred to give up more for Sweat bc they are fine with giving him a longterm deal. Giving Young a longterm deal is too big of a risk for them too.

Sounds like it's degenerative. Based on the TG experience that gives Young about 2 years of effectiveness as a starter. Maybe longer as a specialist. So in F/A that seems like a 2 deal for less than market value. Which is probably why SF made the deal for this season and also resignability later. Even with their cap numbers that seems doable. If I'm the Rams I would do that two year deal and use him as a rush specialist

[Cornell29]

The reports are he has a knee issue that can be longterm. Any trade will be for a short term rental unless you feel comfortable giving a longterm big money deal to a guy who could have knee issues throughout his career.

I'm good, I don't want a Short term rental and I don't want to sign another guy with knee issues to a big money long term deal.

Makes sense for the niners they are trying to win this year.

Even the Bears preferred to give up more for Sweat bc they are fine with giving him a longterm deal. Giving Young a longterm deal is too big of a risk for them too.

Sounds like it's degenerative. Based on the TG experience that gives Young about 2 years of effectiveness as a starter. Maybe longer as a specialist. So in F/A that seems like a 2 deal for less than market value. Which is probably why SF made the deal for this season and also resignability later. Even with their cap numbers that seems doable. If I'm the Rams I would do that two year deal and use him as a rush specialist

If you are Chase and is about to hit the open market, no way you agree to a two year or even 3 year deal. You get top dollar on the market and it only takes one team, and you get your 5 year deal for top money.
Imo this is a no go for the rams. I'm good with not getting Chase. Works for niners bc they are trying to win it all this year, so it's OK even if he is a rental.

[CierraRam]

Sounds like it's degenerative. Based on the TG experience that gives Young about 2 years of effectiveness as a starter. Maybe longer as a specialist. So in F/A that seems like a 2 deal for less than market value. Which is probably why SF made the deal for this season and also resignability later. Even with their cap numbers that seems doable. If I'm the Rams I would do that two year deal and use him as a rush specialist

If you are Chase and is about to hit the open market, no way you agree to a two year or even 3 year deal. You get top dollar on the market and it only takes one team, and you get your 5 year deal for top money.
Imo this is a no go for the rams. I'm good with not getting Chase. Works for niners bc they are trying to win it all this year, so it's OK even if he is a rental.

Sure he will... But if his knee is degenerative he just as likely won't get it . More like the 2 year deal is in line here realistically. But yeah he'll rightfully ask for a top contract. The game ruined his knee afterall. Again, if the knee is degenerative, he'll likely be a late signing for that 2 year deal. If it's NOT degenerative.. he'll get the 5 year deal he actually deserves. He is still a great talent

[ocram23]

more shocked about the Sweat trade. But he is in his last year of his contract so the Bears will have to re-sign him.

I loved Young coming out of college but his knee has never fully recovered. that DL is going to be tough though

[Guest]

Makes sense for the 49ers because they are in a window that’s closing and somehow despite having the Defensive Player of the Year in Bosa, Top free agent acquisition in Hargrave and recently adding Randy Gregory their pass rush isn’t getting home. They likely see him as a one year rental and are trying to match moves with the Seahawks. Niners have a lot of Cap space in 2023 after extending Bosa 39 million but have very little in 2024 1.5 million and will need to carry over money to get through next season when Aiyuk is due for his extension. They are getting into cap hell territory much like the Rams did when they went all in.I get that they wanted to shore up their defense but they didn’t address their secondary weaknesses so they better get home with the pass rush after being carved up by Cousins and Burrows in consecutive weeks. That’s a ton of money tied up in a defensive front 7 and have missed badly with some of their recent defensive line draft choices like Kinlaw who like Chase Young has struggled with knee injuries.

[RamPower]

Whiners not confidant all of a sudden after 3 straight losses (esp. since the Jags will beat them next).

[Cornell29]

If you are Chase and is about to hit the open market, no way you agree to a two year or even 3 year deal. You get top dollar on the market and it only takes one team, and you get your 5 year deal for top money.
Imo this is a no go for the rams. I'm good with not getting Chase. Works for niners bc they are trying to win it all this year, so it's OK even if he is a rental.

Sure he will... But if his knee is degenerative he just as likely won't get it . More like the 2 year deal is in line here realistically. But yeah he'll rightfully ask for a top contract. The game ruined his knee afterall. Again, if the knee is degenerative, he'll likely be a late signing for that 2 year deal. If it's NOT degenerative.. he'll get the 5 year deal he actually deserves. He is still a great talent

That's where we disagree

Time will tell

I think he gets at least a 5 year deal next year despite having a degenerative knee. A team will think they can manage it.

We will see.

[NN1Badboy]

How can SF afford another high priced stud fee agent? They are freaking stacked

[Cornell29]

How can SF afford another high priced stud fee agent? They are freaking stacked

Not paying a high priced qb

[Henry VIII]

Great deal for SF. Eric Armstead and Bosa what a DL.

What is Wash doing letting both Sweat and Young go. They may have gotten more draft picks but in 5he case of Young it will be in the back of the 3rd so essentially it's a 4th. The Sweat trade is way better because Chicago will be drafting in the top of the second that is around almost 60 picks higher that is night and day.

SF is in the win now but their achiles heel is Pudy I contend they won't win a SB with him. You can put a ton of talent around him but without a stellar QB like Stafford was for us in 2021 you aren't orchestrating a late comeback.

Plenty of Super Bowls have been Won with just average QB's

[DelMar]

How can SF afford another high priced stud fee agent? They are freaking stacked

THATS Because they kicked prob the LARGEST can down the road that we have ever seen. In fact, they still have tons of cap space left this season... to the tune of $40M left.

But the one little issue w this... look at their 2024 AND 2025 cap space. LOL. They are already over for both future seasons and that does not include rookie contracts or ANYONE else they would need to add... These boys gonna be busy this off season.

While they are already above the projected cap for '24 and '25... Purdy rookie deal w be done. Then reality will really set in for them. It's either this year for them, or BUST.

Below is 2023, 2024 and 2025 CAP figures for these boners.

[DelMar]

Great deal for SF. Eric Armstead and Bosa what a DL.

What is Wash doing letting both Sweat and Young go. They may have gotten more draft picks but in 5he case of Young it will be in the back of the 3rd so essentially it's a 4th. The Sweat trade is way better because Chicago will be drafting in the top of the second that is around almost 60 picks higher that is night and day.

SF is in the win now but their achiles heel is Pudy I contend they won't win a SB with him. You can put a ton of talent around him but without a stellar QB like Stafford was for us in 2021 you aren't orchestrating a late comeback.

Plenty of Super Bowls have been Won with just average QB's

Not true.

Trent Dilfer was a FAR BELOW average QB

[Truth]

Deals like this are the benefits of having a starting QB on a cheap rookie deal.

It’s how the Rams built when Goff was cheap. It’s how the Seahawks built when Wilson was cheap. And it’s how the 49ers are doing it.

Great deal for them

[Truth]

Plenty of Super Bowls have been Won with just average QB's

Not true.

Trent Dilfer was a FAR BELOW average QB

And even a career backup like Nick Foles won a Super Bowl. Eli Manning won 2 and he’s never been more than just above average at his best

[Truth]

How can SF afford another high priced stud fee agent? They are freaking stacked

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While they are already above the projected cap for '24 and '25... Purdy rookie deal w be done

They have a strong 3 year window (23,24,25) with Purdy under his rookie deal thru 2025. They could also tag him in 2026.

And they can easily cut Kittle, Williams, Warner after 2024 where their dead cap would be less than their cap hit in keeping them. Given how old Trent Williams is I think they probably will do that.

[OldRam]

A Norther VA perspective. Hell of a talent when he got there but, unfortunately for him, he's not been healthy. New Washington ownership. No knock on either Young or Sweat but they are moving players to be able to build in a different manner. If you're keeping track of ridiculous trivia, the Commanders' owner also unloaded Harden from the Sixeers

[Cornell29]

Me not we player

[Guest]

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While they are already above the projected cap for '24 and '25... Purdy rookie deal w be done

They have a strong 3 year window (23,24,25) with Purdy under his rookie deal thru 2025. They could also tag him in 2026.

And they can easily cut Kittle, Williams, Warner after 2024 where their dead cap would be less than their cap hit in keeping them. Given how old Trent Williams is I think they probably will do that.

Williams deal is backloaded as they have been creating cap space by pushing his cap hit in the future just like the Rams did with AD, Kupp and Stafford. They could cut him but they would be eating dead cap for years just like the Rams would if they were to cut one of their big 3. The player might be gone but the bill still comes due. Kittle is in a similar situation.

[Truth]

They have a strong 3 year window (23,24,25) with Purdy under his rookie deal thru 2025. They could also tag him in 2026.

And they can easily cut Kittle, Williams, Warner after 2024 where their dead cap would be less than their cap hit in keeping them. Given how old Trent Williams is I think they probably will do that.

Williams deal is backloaded as they have been creating cap space by pushing his cap hit in the future just like the Rams did with AD, Kupp and Stafford. They could cut him but they would be eating dead cap for years just like the Rams would if they were to cut one of their big 3. The player might be gone but the bill still comes due. Kittle is in a similar situation.

Trent Williams won’t ever see that money though. They will cut him after 2024.

2024: Cap Hit (if on roster) 31 mils. Dead Cap (if cut) 29 mils. So 2024 no sense to cut him as there is very little savings.

2025: Cap Hit 34 mils. Dead Cap 19 mils.
2026: Cap Hit 38 mils. Dead Cap 8 mils

I def see 2025 them cutting him and saving 15 mils vs paying that old of tackle to keep him on the roster.

People always harp on Dead Cap money but the decision to cut is really based on whether the Cap Hit from keeping the player is more than the Dead Cap from cutting them.

With Stafford, the numbers are way out of whack.

2024: Cap Hit. 49.5 mils Dead Cap: 87 mils

2025 Cap Hit 50 mils Dead Cap 37 mils
2026 Cap Hit 49.5 mils. Dead Cap 18.5 mils

Stafford could certainly be cut after 2024 and save 13 mils. Saving 13 mils helps, but still having 37 mils going towards your QB position in 2025 when the 49ers only need to use 1 million cap hit on the QB position is why they can sign all these guys and the Rams can’t

[Ram$ife21]

Agreed!! So hard to comprehend Getting Chase Young for a late third is murder!! Washington is as ignorant as it can get!!

[Cornell29]

[bigklein]

Young’s been inconsistent and has been dealing with injuries, but his performance may become more consistently effective when playing with Warner and Bosa (OSU), unfortunately.

[ocram23]

his best years are behind him which says a lot considering how young he is. it costs them a 3rd rounder which may not be a good pick if they go deep in the playoffs.